At 23:42 08.02.01 -0800, Raab, Andreas wrote:
>Well, from my point of view I'm just *way* more interested in personal
>computing, media authoring and education. I don't think it's a bad sign 
>that Squeak doesn't qualify as application server ;-)

Andreas, allow me to rant a bit on that statement.  I think, it's fine if 
*you* only need a CPU-cycle-hungry desktop-centric graphical-playground 
application.  However as one member of the Squeak central, you should also 
consider other use cases and try to make the system as general-purpose as 
possible.  This is what made languages like Python so big and 
successful.  Actually, the big advantage of Python is IMHO that van Rossum 
always concentrated on the core language and libraries without restricting 
himself to a certain application.

Your point of view is a valid user's point of view.  However, as a system 
maintainer, you've more responsibilities.  Sometimes, it can be difficult 
not to get into conflicts here.   Specially, if there's - as usual - not 
enough time :-)

What would be the solution?  Well, to start with, first accept that 
there're more things possible with Squeak than Squeak Central might think 
of.  Then, try to make yourself aware when you're a user and when a system 
maintainer.  Try to separate issues.

Or tell people clearly "this is our system; you're allowed (and welcome) to 
watch the great things we're doing, you might even help us, but don't 
expect anything from us."  But this IMHO not enough for a successful open 
source Smalltalk project.

Please don't feel offended, this is just an extrapolated opinion.

I feel better now :-)

bye
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