<This will be my only response on this thread, may it rest in peace.>

There is a danger when one binds emotional polarities to
a structure of labels. After all, the map is *not* the territory.

I don't approve of Mr Gates and his very effective business
tactics any more than I approve of the late Mr Edison and his
very effective business tactics. (cf life of Nicola Tesla)

You may say and do what you will, and your words and works will stand
as testimony to the consequence of your action and intention.

Your vitriolic diatribe will cause many to stop listening to you.
I don't think you are abusive, merely reactive to the label structure
you have confused with reality.

OTOH, I do find the notion of "genuine smalltalkers" offensive.
Smalltalk is a language for any entity that can draw a distinction
between self and others.

Any other distinction misses the point of a language designed
to model the way in which we enrich our cognitive structure as
we correlate with the world at large.

Cheers,
John Sarkela :-}>

PS sorry to be so off topic. I am many thousands of emails behind
in the squeak lists and did not intend to trigger these reactions.

> From: "Justin Walsh" <jwalsh at bigpond.net.au>
> Reply-To: squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:22:12 +1100
> To: <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> Subject: Re: [OT] Interview about C#
> 
> Or could this, Jim, be the "intruders" from the C# .net-ist camp, financed
> by you know who, fossicking for recruits?
> It seems that if you had anything intelligent to say you would have said it
> by now instead of the tirade of personal abuse against me and less than
> subtle advertising for .net-ism.
> Stop right there and tell me what I have said that is abusive. And as before
> I will apologise.
> I don't think the genuine Smalltalkers are fooled by you at all.
> At least one among you knows the difference between freedon of speech and
> libel.
> Thank you
> Justin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Benson" <jb at speed.net>
> To: <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 12:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [OT] Interview about C#
> 
> 
>> Daniel,
>> 
>>> 
>>> Bert, it didn't sound to me like Justin was attacking John, just
>>> ranting. Which, as you say, is very close to the "noise" side of the
>>> scale, but not really malevolent.
>>> 
>> 
>> If you believe this, than Justin has you fooled. AFAICT, Justin is pretty
>> much the same as the spam bot we had on the list a few months ago.
> Dribbles
>> on endlessly, using the list as a medium to hear itself speak. Not quite
>> sure what he's on about, but seems pretty upset about it none the less.
>> 
>> In some sense, that's the beauty of the Squeak mailing list. Jump on the
>> list, you get your say, and some very smart people usually respond with
> well
>> thought answers. However, at some point you need to be able to add
> something
>> meaningful back to the community, or else you're ignored.
>> 
>> Justin strikes me as a good example as to what email filters are for ;-)
>> 
>> My opinion of course,
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
>