List etiquette (was: Re: Three Threads Of Squeak)
garywork at lineone.net
Wed Nov 7 18:53:25 UTC 2001
That's quite right to mention netiquette. Insults, bad manners and flaming
spirals don't do anyone any good except the perpetrator of psychological
I think a public apology is due from Justin to Alan Kay, Dan Ingalls and the
active people on the list, not for having different ideas but for the bad
manners and insults. Nothing has been accomplished except for less
constructive participation on the list and bad feelings.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bert Freudenberg" <bert at isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de>
To: <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 9:10 AM
Subject: List etiquette (was: Re: Three Threads Of Squeak)
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Gary Fisher wrote:
> > The "problem" you're seeing is caused not by malicious behavior but by
> > way many email programs handle replies in html
> Those problems can easily be overcome by a little common sense:
> * Don't send HTML mails to the list.
> * Don't include everything in a reply, just so much to retain the context.
> If you were never given a proper introduction how to politely use this
> medium, it would be a great idea to study the "Mailing List Etiquette",
> especially the section about formatting and quoting (attached below).
> -- Bert
> Are there any important formatting considerations?
> Visual formatting is very important in a textual medium like email. If
> your postings are poorly formatted, they will be hard to read, and
> people will tire of them quickly. As a result, fewer people will read
> what you write to the end, and many will begin to skip your posts
> Most importantly, learn to use the enter (or return) key on your
> keyboard. The video display width of many network users is limited to
> 80 columns, and text which wraps beyond that length is quite a bit more
> difficult to read. Since your text may be indented when quoted by
> others you should keep your lines to a maximum length somewhere below
> that point -- around 70 characters is a good target. There are of
> course exceptions, such as wide tables, and long URLs, but the rule is
> to keep it well under 80.
> Be careful if you use a program which wraps your posts when you send
> them. If you wrap at a wider column than it does, you may end up with
> alternating long and short lines where it wraps one or two words from
> each long line, but fails to join them to the next. If you know that
> your software operates this way, you may be best off to simply write
> each paragraph as one long line, and let it do all the wrapping. Be
> very sure that this is the case though, as postings that come through
> with really long, single line paragraphs are also annoying to read.
> Wrapping at a considerably narrower margin, such as 40 characters is
> also more difficult to read, as one must page down much more often.
> However, don't be afraid to use blank lines to separate your paragraphs,
> and do break your text into paragraphs. In fact, keeping paragraphs
> fairly short is also easier to read; around ten lines is a good upper
> Be careful when using tabs for indenting, as they will display
> differently on other platforms. Also, avoid control characters and
> other fancy visual effects which are likely platform specific. When
> composing (and reading) mail, you're best to stick with a mono-spaced
> font (as opposed to proportionally spaced), and avoid anything other
> than the most basic text you can use to get your message across.
> When replying, should I quote the previous message?
> Most certainly. You should always provide some context to your replies
> so that people who may not have been following the thread closely, or
> who have other things on their minds will easily be able to determine
> what you're talking about.
> However, when quoting, be very careful to edit the quoted sections down
> to the bare minimum of text needed to maintain the context for your
> reply. There is very little on a mailing list that is more annoying
> than paging through a few pages of quoted text only to read a few lines
> at the end. Also be careful that you clearly indicate what text you're
> quoting (as opposed to what you're writing), and if possible, cite the
> author of the original text.
> If your mail program wants to attach the whole message you're replying
> to on the end of your replies, please do not let it do this if you can
> possibly avoid it. It is a good thing to include excerpts from previous
> messages with your replies to maintain a logical flow of discussion, but
> it is almost always a bad thing to include the entire text of a message
> being replied to, be it at the start or end of your reply.
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