Hi,
	My only non-interest in WinCE is that I don't have access to a windows
system, so, if the linux uber alles crowd can get things to work, then I

can too :-)

Thanks for the WinCE work though!

cheers

bruce

"Ohshima, Yoshiki" <Yoshiki.Ohshima at disney.com> wrote:
>   Aaron,
> 
> > > Actually I suspect you'd find much of it already done and plenty of help
> > > being offered. The SqueakNOS gang is doing very well.
> > 
> > But it's not been done for the iPAQ.  I have no experience writing
> > bootloaders, creating a ramfs, or devising ways to use external libs and
> > binaries from POSIX-world.  As much as I'd like a pure Smalltalk or Common
> > Lisp machine, I have (self-imposed) limits in time and
> > ability.
> 
>   I'm just curious, but given that you're interested in
> Squeak'ing on iPAQ, what is the *practical* reason to avoid
> WinCE and to go for Linux (or SqueakNOS-ish) OS?  I don't
> like Microsoft too much, but so far I haven't find any good
> reason to justify to switch to Linux.
> 
>   The Squeak VM for WinCE/iPAQ uses direct frame buffer
> access to display and supports both fullscreen mode and
> non-fullscreen mode.  The C compiler is also available for
> *free*, (which merely means you don't have to pay) so you
> can modify VM easily.  And when new device is released from
> 3rd party, the driver is always available for WinCE and you
> can use it right away.  And also, thanks to Andreas, the
> support code is more stable.
> 
>   32MB process segmentation hurts a little, but Noel's file
> mapped heap helps.
> 
>   Anyway, once Squeak is launched on the device, it can be
> more or less "pure" Squeak machine.
> 
>   FYI, if you really interested in Linux PDA, Sharp's coming
> PDA for US market seems pretty impressive platform.  The
> hardware has two media slots and retractable keyboard in
> almost the same size of body as iPAQ and it uses Embedix as
> the OS and they seems to allow you to recompile the
> kernel. (I don't know how far they allow us to go, though.)
> Right now, you can order it with $399 dollars.
> 
> http://developer.sharpsec.com
> 
> -- Yoshiki