Having been flamed for my email and misunderstood, I feel it only right that
my point is clear. Here is my reply that I don't agree is off-topic for the
thread.

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Hello X,
Having just done some things with Squeak in full screen mode using morphs,
forms and pens I cannot agree that I need to be constrained by windows
whether I like it or not.  Before I forget and become misunderstood  I
wouldn't abandon using windows in programs, I'd just use them when they were
most appropriate. (I wouldn't want to be called a hypocrite if there was a
window in any project I made would I :-))

Then there were the couple of interesting apps [Such as the Xerox Parc
Information Visualiser].
That's really what I'm thinking of. As for the mind, I was more thinking
about visualisation. Anything in the mind can be replicated on the screen
and
it needn't be in a window.

To be honest X, I'm not so interested in the OS side of things at the
moment. I know you like Linux, I use it for Java, and will learn it more
when I study things like servers, TCP/IP, databases and so on. But for
Squeak, I know I can just copy and paste a load of images on the desktop and
that is cool. I don't think that can be done with Linux, maybe can be with
the Mac.

Anyway back from the digression, what I was originally referring to is that
Squeak should be pretty much the same on all of the OSes. That's all.

Regards,
Gary
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary McGovern" <garywork at lineone.net>
To: <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: A survey of OSs used by Squeakers


> Does it really matter ? I know MS has the most unfavourable reputation,
but
> they are all of a muchness (as personal computers) in comparison to how
they
> could have been .
>
> When I look at what was being done in 1980 with Smalltalk
> I must say I'm miffed to realise how slow the software industry has been
> through just taking up the window and desktop metaphor. Not enough have
> "clicked" on the mind metaphor.
>
> Who wants to be constrained by windows whether it's called Windows or not
?
> Not I !
>
> Regards,
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hinsley" <jhinsley at telinco.co.uk>
> To: <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:41 PM
> Subject: Re: A survey of OSs used by Squeakers
>
>
> > Mark Guzdial wrote:
> > >
> > > >For me it's a way of trying to resolve Mark's statement that most of
> his
> > > >students use Linux and Maarten's assertion that 90% of Squeakers use
> > > >Windows with my own gut feeling that Mac users are very well
> represented
> > > >on this list and that while Windows users outnumber Linux users, it's
> > > >not by much.
> > >
> > > None of the above are really contradictory.
> >
> > For sure, but it's still not so easy to get your head around!
> >
> > > - By my "students," I meant my graduate students, e.g., Je77 is
> > > mostly a UNIX person, Lex is entirely a Linux user, Joshua is mostly
> > > a Linux user.  Bolot is our sole Windows maven.  The Macs I keep
> > > putting in the lab collect dust in the corners...
> >
> > Well, you could always crate one up and send it to me! I'd really like
> > to play with a Mac and see what all the fuss is about but I don't know
> > anyone who has one and, well, I can buy Sparc kit for less.
> >
> > > - My undergraduate students (http://coweb.cc.gatech.edu/cs2340) are
> > > mostly Windows users (like most of the universe), but with a very
> > > vocal *nix minority.
> >
> > Feel free to ask them to contribute to the survey. It'll be interesting
> > to find out if the advent of Windows XP turns more of your undergrads
> > towards or away from Windows.
> >
> > > - People on this list are a majority, but are probably not the
> > > complete Squeak-using universe.  My guess is that Squeakers NOT on
> > > this list are probably heavily Windows users, as the majority of
> > > computer users are.
> >
> > That would be my initial guess too, but then I wonder if the path to
> > finding (and recognising) Squeak actually demands something similar to
> > the path to different OSs? After all, why should non-list Squeakers be
> > different to list Squeakers (except in so far as most list Squeakers
> > have found it to be something they like)?
> >
> > BTW, I'll start summarising the results (it's been a _very_ impressive
> > turn out) on Thursday after Buffy (around 1900 GMT), so there's still
> > plenty of time to submit.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > John
> > --
> > Reputed to be the reason Windows 2000 was nearly a year late, (paid in
> > shares M$Ds needed the cash and kudos) Netproject's Eddie Bleasdale has
> > renewed his challenge to virus writers. The first person to infect his
> > Linux box wins 10,000 pounds.
> >
> >
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