Yes I agree It is in my opinon, better to get on with the development of a
new Free Operating System but,
Isn't that what Smalltalkers are trying to do? How often have I heard Allen
Kay say that Smalltalk even runs without an OS. All current OS's are just
expensive bootstrap programs for Smalltalk. Look how creative Jon Hyland is
with Smalltalk  http://huv.com/ .
Tektronix did it years ago and I guess so did App*le who, won't let on. It
was left to the penitent Steve J*bs to do that with neXt.
The problem is (as someone wrote) Smalltalk keeps getting shafted by narrow
minded opportunism: .com-ism, .exe-ism, .dll-ism ad infinitum.
Was not Unix also shafted by Micros*ft in the early days when they had the
chance to develop SCO unix. No, crass "opportunity", in the form an  I*M
executive, dragging the PC out of his tool shed and "selling" it to his own
company was as "creative" as the great I*M could get. Where was the design?
And then, there is Micros*ft rushing out the back door to procure C/PM to
put on the wretched PC.
This attitude has got us to where we are today: NOWHERE!: chasing Micros*ft
for more dubious "opportunities".
She/He, better "it" will give us NOTHING.
The freedom loving US people know that too well. They show their anger in
the courts.
The solution to this problem is not to be found in "technology" alone
Smalltalk is but one of the many proofs that, you have good technology
coming out of your ears.
We need to look at the problem in the BIG.
To do that one must LOOK at POLICY and PHILOSOPHY. Not get confused by it,
or lost in it.
That is why I'm here at squeak-dev and not responding to some goose of a
Politician or a Philosopher.
Good luck with your Free OS though.
I'll stay here "annoying" the squeakers a bit longer -just kidding!
Caio
The aging
Justin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bert Freudenberg" <bert at isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de>
To: <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 12:56 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Interview about C#


> On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Justin Walsh wrote:
>
> > Hi Sarkela,
> > No offence but, [...]
>
> Justin,
>
> that was pretty rude. You're on this list for a very short time, you don't
> know who John Sarkela is, so why do you attack him in such a way?
>
> I don't think this list is the place for such unfounded rants (which have
> even less to do with Squeak or Smalltalk than the philosophical quarreling
> flooding in here lately).
>
> -- Bert
>
> PS: No, I'm no MS advocate, I think they're evil, too. But it's way better
>     to do something about it: I for my part try to help Squeak run on a
>     Free OS. There's a lot to do, still - you just might want to join us.
>
>
>