straw-man 3.2 default preferences
martin at hand2mouse.com
Fri Apr 19 07:37:30 UTC 2002
At 9:35 PM -0700 4/18/02, Ned Konz wrote:
>I don't understand Martin's complaints about the alternative scrollbar
>look (or is he talking about the flop-out scrollbar?). They're the
>same size, shape, and behavior as the non-alternative ones, just a
I was confused here: I hadn't noticed that the shape changed when
moving them inboard until Doug pointed it out (quoted below).
>I'd say for scrolling:
>alternative scroll bar look (looks much better than the grey/blue)
>with menu button (for the mac people, I guess)
Agreed. I actually prefer the grey/blue because of better visibility,
but I do think that the matching color looks better overall, so I'm
happy enough to put off finer color tweaks (for windows and for
scrollbars) until next release.
At 12:44 AM -0400 4/19/02, Doug Way wrote:
>>This one is a personal preference, but I can't imagine the majority
>>of newcomers disagreeing. The alternative scrollbars are just too
>>hard to 1) see what they mean and 2) do what you want. Positioning
>>the menu under the up arrow is part of the problem, but not all of
>>it. I've had experienced computer users who are new to Squeak take
>>one look and say "What's that thing there? How do I use this?" I
>>used these scrollbars daily from the time they came out until just
>>a few weeks ago, so I feel like I gave them a fair chance, but I'm
>>glad I finally ditched them.
>Actually, it turns out that if you turn off the inboardScrollbars in
>the current 3.2gamma, it will also turn off the rounded (a.k.a.
>"sausage") scrollbar look and put the menu button back on top,
>although it will keep the matched colors. (A slightly cheesy
>compromise I suppose.)
Ah, thanks, I hadn't noticed that combination.
>So, I think just changing the first two preferences you mention (and
>not this one) will be sufficient for what you want...?
Yes, you are correct.
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