Tim,

> I like the idea of separating out the object memory and execution
> engine. The implementation details are simply details.

    Thanks for the encouraing comments. I appreciate it.

> I can't find any meaningful site to look at your stuff right now; google
> finds nothing intersting for mobvm and searching the swiki returns
> nothing for mobvm nor sqm.

    Others had similar complaints.  I got the message :-)

    I am planning to do something about that.

> IIRC you have been working exclusively for
> windows which means I can't use anything other than source code since I
> do not do windows.

    Hey, I do not intend to monopolize the MobVM market ;-)

    Thanks to Marcus, the source is available at :
ftp://ftp.ira.uka.de/pub/squeak/MobVM/

    Since this is the first source release, this zip is quite big, many
plugins are included.

    Next time around, only the plugins that are not available/compatible
with the mainstream version (like B3DAcceleratorPlugin) will be distributed.

    Hopefully, someone else will do something for other platforms.

    Cheers,

    PhiHo.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Rowledge" <tim at sumeru.stanford.edu>
To: <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: SqueakScript only needs a Dos window


> "PhiHo Hoang" <phiho.hoang at rogers.com> is claimed by the authorities to
have written:
>
> > Tim,
> >
> > > > Deeper cut would be needed to prevent 'WindowPlugin' from being
loaded
> > when
> > > > headless image like 'TestSQS.image' is run.
> > > Take a look at the Acorn code in sqRPCWindows.c - it doesn't open an
> > > OSwindow until it needs to.
> >
> >     This sounds OK, but there may be a little hesitation at first draw.
> So ? It would only replace an almost identical amount of time currently
> used at startup - wastefully if you don't actualy want a window.
> >
> > > > BTW, if you are listening, Andreas, how do I list loaded modules ?
> > > Smalltalk listLoadedModules provides a list of the modules (both
> > > internal and external) that have been loaded - note that an internal
> > > modules can be not-yet-loaded.
> >
> >     Yeah, I know this trick for the normal image, but SqueakScript is
not
> > normal.
> >     It's super-normal :-) I guess it needs a  different incantation.
> If you're using the plugin mechanism without massive changes then
> the primitives should be there; why would you remove the methods from
> SystemDictionary? They're not exactly big.
> >
> >     BTW, Tim, did you have a look at MobVM ? Do you have any suggestion
or
> > advices regarding the partition of variables and routines among
> > ObjectMemoryPlugin, InterpreterPlugin and PrimitivesPlugin (hmm, there
is
> > also a MiscPrimitivesPlugin !) ?
> I like the idea of separating out the object memory and execution
> engine. The implementation details are simply details.
>
> I can't find any meaningful site to look at your stuff right now; google
> finds nothing intersting for mobvm and searching the swiki returns
> nothing for mobvm nor sqm. IIRC you have been working exclusively for
> windows which means I can't use anything other than source code since I
> do not do windows.
>
> tim
> --
> Tim Rowledge, tim at sumeru.stanford.edu, http://sumeru.stanford.edu/tim
> Logic:   The art of being wrong with confidence...
>
>
>