Jim, thanks for your information regarding PIE. And Alan, I would be very
happy if you could put these papers online one way or another!

Cheers,
Nathanael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: squeak-dev-admin at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> [mailto:squeak-dev-admin at lists.squeakfoundation.org]On Behalf Of Alan
> Kay
> Sent: Montag, 25. Februar 2002 13:40
> To: squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> Subject: Re: Getting rid of metaclasses (Was: Behaviors vs Modules)
>
>
> Jim --
>
> Did that book also have the "Officetalk" paper from PARC, by William
> Newman, Dan Swinehart, Tim Mott, etc.? That was an amazing blast from
> the past.
>
> P.S. I have the four PIE papers. Maybe I should try to .pdf them and
> put them online (might take awhile though). I did write Danny Bobrow
> to see if anyone else had already put them online.....
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alan
>
> -------
>
> At 8:46 PM -0800 2/24/02, Jim Benson wrote:
> >Nathanael,
> >
> >>  The ideas of having multiple roles/views/perspectives associated to an
> >>  object sounds very interesting and promising. I'd really like
> to know more
> >>  about these PIE system and its implementation. If you have
> any pointers to
> >>  some information, please let me know.
> >>
> >
> >The only place I've seen any of this written up was in the book
> Interactive
> >Programming Environments [1984] edited by Barstow, Shrobe,
> Sandewall, ISBN
> >0-07-003885-6. PIE is written up as "A Layered Approach to
> Software Design"
> >by Goldstein and Bobrow. pp 387-413. This paper was originally
> published as
> >Xerox Parc CSL-80-5.
> >
> >Whenever I want to be depressed, I just pick that book up and
> start reading.
> >It represented the state of the art in '84, and it's amazing how little
> >things have advanced since then.
> >
> >I haven't found anything online, but I hoped that this information might
> >help.
> >
> >Jim
>
>
> --
>
>