SqueakFoundation; get off your butts you lot!

PhiHo Hoang phiho.hoang at rogers.com
Sun Jan 20 07:07:57 UTC 2002


On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, Bijan Parsia wrote:

> > > Well, Mark Guzdial wrote and edited some books for Squeak and the
> > > anthology at least is available on the net. Testimony to a fair number
of
> > > people who love Squeak "so much".
> >
> >     Wholeheartly agree. Have you read Dave's book for Ruby ?
>
> Yes. It didn't really appeal all that much to me. I don't care overmuch
> for the "Pragmatic Programmer" style, and it got a little referencey
> rather quickly.
>
> It did give me enough sense of Ruby to realize that though it has a fair
> bit of Smalltalk in it, and some interesing bits, it really has TMPWTDI
> for my taste.
>
> (I.e., Too Many Perl Ways To Do It :))

    There is always that 'personal taste' that is really personal :-)

    Didn't even Matz regret it too ? I didn't pay much attention to PWTDI in
Ruby either. I am much more absorbed in aoat ( all: objects all: theTime)
with Module, Name Space, Mixin, Closure...

> Mark's textbook is excellent, if a little dated (circa 2.7) and not
referency.

    It's been already dated only a few months after being released to the
store ?

> But it's as much about OOP as Squeak in particular. There's a
> version available online, I believe, but I don't recall where.

    When your memory comes back, please post the URL. Last time I checked
the book was pulled off the net. I hope it is still available online for
students of GA Tech. though.

I like to see if it helps me as much in learning Squeak as Dave's book
helped me to learn Ruby.

[snip]

> If you got permission from David Thomas and Andrew Hunt....oops they
> released it under the Open Publication License so you don't need to.
>
> Here's a 45 minute or more shot at a simplistic conversion:
>
> http://www.unc.edu/~bparsia/squeak/squeakfromrubyintro.htm
>

    Sir, you can no longer hide your love for Squeak ;-)

> I'd want to ok it with those guys before going on, and large chunks are
> just inappropriate, and a cooler thing would be to put both
> languages/environments side by side, and you'd need to do ide stuff way
> earlier for Squeak.

    Seriously, I wish if you (and other Squeak gurus in collaboration) will
pursue this interesting and helpful task to the end, then we will have 'a
book for Squeak like the one Dave wrote for Ruby' available for free on the
net that will never get out dated (hopefully :-), thanks to OPL.

    This would make a nice Squeak Foundation project.

    Cheers,

    PhiHo.




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