Matthew,

>
> Linux works because of the Unix tradition.  C++, Java, and Perl add
> to the C family.

>  I still wish Squeak had a bridge back to normal
> programmers.  It looks so alien.  It has its own rules.  I really,
> really want to use it more, but I could never ship anything in it.
> I would violate the common experience of my users, I would have to
> provide more training.  I would love to do it, but I can't see the
> benefit in the additional education.  What does the Technicolor
> interface bring to the table?  Why can't the windows act like native
> windows?
>

If you're looking to ship traditional desktop product, I would think that
the commercial Smalltalk vendors have adequate products to meet this need.
Certainly on the Windows side, Dolphin is a nice product at a very
reasonable price point.

Personally, I think that war is already lost. However, if you're looking to
do web app/server stuff, read the excellent article:

http://www.paulgraham.com/icad.html

You can rule that world with a Squeak based solution.

I took your advice to heart, and hacked up something this morning similar to
your request for a desktop Squeak.

It starts at:

http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2286

Jim