Smalltalk CookbookAlan Kay squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.orgSat Oct 12 17:18:34 UTC 2002
--============_-1177679277==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Thanks Andrew -- I agree completely! Cheers, Alan ------ At 11:30 AM -0400 10/12/02, Andrew C. Greenberg wrote: >I think such a thing would be useful and a great service to the >community. Sorry to be a wet blanket, but I have to comment about a >dull, non-tech issue. > >However, I would have to refrain from posting any code there, >because Cees seeks to bind all code posted there under the GNU Free >Documentation license. A cookbook is, primarily, a library of code >rather than documentation, and the provisions of GFD, while not so >bad for content, appears viral into the derived code -- particularly >because: > >"A "Modified Version" of the Document means any work containing the >Document or a portion of it, either copied verbatim, or with >modifications and/or translated into another language." > >As we have discussed, it is my considered view that unspecialized >viral licenses are unsuitable for an image-based OO environment, >such as Squeak and many other Smallalk derivatives. Unless we want >to shift from a primarily BSD-like Squeak style license to a >primarily GNU-like license (and get permission of existing licensors >to make the switch), I believe that such a cookbook is a recipe for >problems down the road. > >We already have quite enough licensing cruft in our image. For my >part, I see absolutely no need whatsoever to restrict use and reuse >of a freely distributed web-available Squeak cookbook -- suggest >losing the license anyway. > >BTW: If Cees does insist on a licensing deal to play, the "click-to" >as opposed to "click-through" form of "click-wrap" has been held >unenforceable in New Jersey and various other jurisdictions -- >something more would be required. "Click-through" on the other >hand, seems quite enforceable. > >On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 03:53 AM, Cees de Groot wrote: > >>In response to someone with a good idea on comp.lang.smalltalk >>(I'll wait here >>a couple of seconds while you look surprised ... ok now?), I've setup a Swiki >>that's dedicated to the development (and deployment) of a Smalltalk Cookbook: >> http://swiki.squeakfoundation.org/cookbook >>It is meant to be - as much as possible - dialect-independent, so please, >>please please: if you want to add to it, start with the dreary Collections >>recipes before adding Morphic chapters ;-) >> >>-- >>Cees de Groot http://www.cdegroot.com <cg at cdegroot.com> >>GnuPG 1024D/E0989E8B 0016 F679 F38D 5946 4ECD 1986 F303 937F E098 9E8B >>Cogito ergo evigilo -- --============_-1177679277==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { padding-top: 0 ; padding-bottom: 0 } --></style><title>Re: Smalltalk Cookbook</title></head><body> <div>Thanks Andrew --</div> <div><br></div> <div>I agree completely!</div> <div><br></div> <div>Cheers,</div> <div><br></div> <div>Alan</div> <div><br></div> <div>------</div> <div><br></div> <div>At 11:30 AM -0400 10/12/02, Andrew C. Greenberg wrote:</div> <blockquote type="cite" cite>I think such a thing would be useful and a great service to the community. Sorry to be a wet blanket, but I have to comment about a dull, non-tech issue.</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>However, I would have to refrain from posting any code there, because Cees seeks to bind all code posted there under the GNU Free Documentation license. A cookbook is, primarily, a library of code rather than documentation, and the provisions of GFD, while not so bad for content, appears viral into the derived code -- particularly because:</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>"<font face="Times New Roman" size="+2">A "Modified Version" of the Document means any work containing the</font></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times New Roman" size="+2">Document or a portion of it, either copied verbatim, or with</font></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times New Roman" size="+2">modifications and/or translated into another language."</font></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>As we have discussed, it is my considered view that unspecialized viral licenses are unsuitable for an image-based OO environment, such as Squeak and many other Smallalk derivatives. Unless we want to shift from a primarily BSD-like Squeak style license to a primarily GNU-like license (and get permission of existing licensors to make the switch), I believe that such a cookbook is a recipe for problems down the road.</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>We already have quite enough licensing cruft in our image. For my part, I see absolutely no need whatsoever to restrict use and reuse of a freely distributed web-available Squeak cookbook -- suggest losing the license anyway.</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>BTW: If Cees does insist on a licensing deal to play, the "click-to" as opposed to "click-through" form of "click-wrap" has been held unenforceable in New Jersey and various other jurisdictions -- something more would be required. "Click-through" on the other hand, seems quite enforceable.</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 03:53 AM, Cees de Groot wrote:</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><br> <blockquote type="cite" cite>In response to someone with a good idea on comp.lang.smalltalk (I'll wait here</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>a couple of seconds while you look surprised ... ok now?), I've setup a Swiki</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>that's dedicated to the development (and deployment) of a Smalltalk Cookbook:</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite> http://swiki.squeakfoundation.org/cookbook</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>It is meant to be - as much as possible - dialect-independent, so please,</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>please please: if you want to add to it, start with the dreary Collections</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>recipes before adding Morphic chapters ;-)</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite><br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>--</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>Cees de Groot <span ></span> http://www.cdegroot.com <cg at cdegroot.com></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>GnuPG 1024D/E0989E8B 0016 F679 F38D 5946 4ECD 1986 F303 937F E098 9E8B</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite" cite>Cogito ergo evigilo</blockquote> </blockquote> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <x-sigsep><pre>-- </pre></x-sigsep> </body> </html> --============_-1177679277==_ma============--
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