I have not yet looked at it but here is one more recent result of Andreas
Mahling's work:

MusicTalk
http://www.s.netic.de/mahling/musictalk.html

Andreas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Boris Gaertner" <Boris.Gaertner at gmx.net>
To: <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Q] Music, MIDI and squeak where to start ?


>
> Martin Drautzburg <martin.drautzburg at web.de> wrote:
>
> > I am getting interested in doing some music in squeak.
> >
> > I am NOT looking for a sequencer but rather something that allows to
> > express high-level musical concepts such as "similarity" and
> > "conrast". I might try to write something myself in that area.
> >
> > Where would I start to explore what capabilities are already present
> > in squeak. I believe MIDI input and output it all there right ? How
> > about writing scores (sheet music) ?
> >
> To the best of my knowledge there is no editor for conventional
> musical notation available in Squeak. (A very good editor at a very
> reasonable price is Mozart. Look at: http://www.mozart.co.uk/).
> The lack of a scores editor is a surprise - more then ten years
> ago there was a very good music editor available for Smalltalk-80.
> ('Amused', by Andreas Mahling, Juergen Herczeg, Michael Herczeg,
> Heinz-Dieter Broecker from Clique-Software - now Ars Nova.
> Perhaps one should ask there about the fate of that code. I
> remember a presentation that Andreas gave during a fair in
> Munich - he gave it on an Atari Mega and it was a fascinating
> contrast to all the boring business software around. 'Amused'
> used some knowledge representation to assist in writing music
> -these were certainly high-level musical concepts. Those with
> access to a scientific library will find an article about an early version
> of 'Amused' in the Lecture Notes in Computer Science, Vol. 439)
>
> > I have the "multimedia" book and it mentions "siren". But I only
> > understood half of it and it didn't mention any high-level concepts, so
> > I belive it is not exactly what I want.
> >
> Siren has a lot of high-level musical concepts and is certainly worth
> a closer examination. I did not look at it very carefully, but my
> first impression was that some broken parts make a quick
> success difficult. It is of course possible to express this
> in a more inviting form: Siran can certainly profit from some
> enthusiastic supporters. The preferred platform for Siren is
> Visual Works - the Squeak version is seemingly a by-product.
>
> My impression was that Siren is focused to less conventional
> notations and presentation forms, but please note that I am
> not an expert. My knowledge (like that of most amateurs)
> is limited to conventional notation systems. I think that
> Siren is a framework for both conventional and experimental
> notation.
> Siren uses the database framework MinneStore in some way
> to create a database of music, but I have to confess that I did
> not even try to get it running.
>
> The official Siren home page is http://www.create.ucsb.edu/Siren.
> To get Siren, please try this: ftp://ftp.create.ucsb.edu/pub/Siren
> I hope that these addresses are still valid, but you would best
> begin with : http://www.create.ucsb.edu
>
> Hope this helps
> Boris