Hi all,
> My next question is what can I do with them, how

Well, you can play a tango...
(win* and FFI requiered)

Ale.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alejandro F. Reimondo" <aleReimondo at smalltalking.net>
To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
<squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: Mythical small kernel images?


> Hi all,
>
> > My next question is what can I do with them, how
> > do I interact with them, I drop them on
> > a Squeak VM it works but then do we have
> > to specify parameter and get
> > value....
>
> We have implemented consode I/O...
> We also has implemented an image (aprox 40kb)
>  that get a web page given an URL (using WinInet
>  because Squeak sockets implementation
>  is very complex).
> They ONLY do simple things but we plan to expand the framework to support
> dynamic exchange with parents (nutrition from parents) when needed.
> It is a work in progress that we have from a long time in Smalltalking (we
> also advocates to do a social activities for the community, here in
> Argentina).
>
> > Ale this is ***really*** exciting. Impressive. If we could rebuild
> > Squeak on top of such a mini
> > image this would be ****really**** good. Or a kind of dream :).
> >
> > Diego what was the paper you talked about?
>
> I think that it can't be very difficult to build a mechanism
>  to support dynamic embedding of mini-images, but provably it must be
> supported by primitives (this will require VM changes :-( ).
>
> cheers,
> Ale.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephane Ducasse" <ducasse at iam.unibe.ch>
> To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
> <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 5:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Mythical small kernel images?
>
>
> > Thanks
> > this was so small that I missed them. Now I get them.
> > My next question is what can I do with them, how do I interact with
> > them, I drop them on
> > a Squeak VM it works but then do we have to specify parameter and get
> > value....
> >
> >
> > Ale this is ***really*** exciting. Impressive. If we could rebuild
> > Squeak on top of such a mini
> > image this would be ****really**** good. Or a kind of dream :).
> >
> > Diego what was the paper you talked about?
> >
> > Stef
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 10:14 PM,
> > diegogomezdeck at consultar.com wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Alejandro Reimondo has atached them in an email.  You can find them at
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/squeak/message/55613
> > >
> > > Diego
> > >
> > >> Diego
> > >>
> > >> I did not see this mini image where can I find it?
> > >>
> > >> Stef
> > >>
> > >> On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 09:45 PM,
> > >> diegogomezdeck at consultar.com wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Luciano,
> > >>>
> > >>> You get confused by the paper "engendrando un smalltalk" (generating
> > >>> a
> > >>> smalltalk) and the jod done to create a minimal image.
> > >>>
> > >>> The images that Alejandro has sent to this list are images created
> > >>> BEFORE
> > >>> the process of growing them using the parent-child process.  This
> > >>> process
> > >>> allows you to create the image you want, with or without the
> > >>> mechanism
> > >>> described in the paper.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>>
> > >>> Diego Gomez Deck
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Alejandro, this is very interesting.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I remember you told me about this long time ago, and I
> > >>>> still have the same doubts: How stable are the images
> > >>>> produced with this process? The final image includes
> > >>>> only methods that have been activated in the nurturing
> > >>>> process, right? What about the methods that have not
> > >>>> been activated, but that are needed later? How long do
> > >>>> you have to nurture an image before it stabilizes?
> > >>>> Does it stabilize at all?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I guess at some point you would be able to generate a
> > >>>> new image for the child, start a new vm and continue
> > >>>> the nurturing process through the network. Are you
> > >>>> doing that?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Please try to realise this project under the Squeak-L.
> > >>>> A lot of us are eager to play with it.
> > >>>> Luciano.-
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> Prof. Dr. Stéphane DUCASSE (ducasse at iam.unibe.ch)
> > >> http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/
> > >>  "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do
> > >>  different? ... especially if, by doing something different, today
> > >>  might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Prof. Dr. Stéphane DUCASSE (ducasse at iam.unibe.ch)
> > http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/
> >   "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do
> >   different? ... especially if, by doing something different, today
> >   might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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