Licences Question : Squeak-L Art 6.

Jimmie Houchin jhouchin at
Thu Feb 20 15:19:37 UTC 2003

goran.hultgren at wrote:
> Alan Kay <Alan.Kay at> wrote:
> [SNIP]
>>OTOH, there's a reasonably true adage about letting sleeping dogs lie ....
> Well, I am not sure we risk that much. We already have Squeak under the
> Squeak-L and AFAIK it is pretty hard (if even possible, people are
> arguing this) to revoke an "open source" license.
> So, sure - they can ignore us but they can't really take anything from
> us, right?
> I think it is high time to do something about the license and that we
> should take the opportunity now when we have both Alan and Andrew
> "geared up".
> AFAIK we have loosely these problems with Squeak-L as it stands:
> - The font clause (if we simply get rid of the fonts Apple could just
> skip that part)
> - Getting rid of the export restriction clause (I believe someone said
> that this isn't in Apples other "free" licenses so that shouldn't be a
> problem)
> - Revising the "indemnification" stuff, this was what stopped Debian
> inclusion IIRC.
> - Making sure how we want it: Should improvements be published
> regardless of distribution? AFAICT Andrew got to this conclusion given
> the current language. (Which btw probably means some of us are breaking
> the license currently - do you have improvements that you haven't
> pubished?)
> Then it would be nice with some irrevokability clause perhaps and I
> would also like to know how this new license should be applied to my
> software - contributions that is.
> And once and for all we could nail down the (in)compatibility of this
> new license with at least GPL, LGPL and MIT/BSD so that we can avoid
> some of the confusion.
> regards, Göran

I also think it would be nice in addition to covering all the proper 
legal bases to honor Apple for their contribution of Squeak to the Open 
Source community and simply Thank them.

We have been blessed. A simple word of thanks would be nice.

I know we have Alan and many of the original team still with us on this 
list. Thank you for all of your contributions to this exciting technology.

The thanks in the License would be for the 'Corporate' heads who 'Think 
Differently' :) and set this wonder free.

Jimmie Houchin

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