Licences Question : Squeak-L Art 6.

Daniel Vainsencher danielv at
Sat Feb 22 17:46:51 UTC 2003

About the fonts - I agree. Doug, Ned, how about adding the AccuFonts
package, with an answer of "yes" to the replace fonts question, as the
first update to 3.5alpha, and producing an image with that update, to
create an Apple-font-free official image that we can bring to the Apple

Ned, when it asks "replace the existing fonts?", can we be fairly
certain there's no trace of them left in the image?

By "details" I meant any that might help understand what different
things they are concerned about for projects they are currently
stewarding, as opposed to Squeak. This might help propose a solution
they're happy with.

There's a difference if they -
1. "refuse to further open any projects they don't expect the community
to help them develop" (we're stuck)
2. "Don't wish to waste time even thinking about older projects" (Maybe
a respected figure could change their mind)
3. "Haven't thought about it much" (We should come up with a concrete
proposal, and feel out what they're willing to do)
4. "Would prefer to relicense projects that are not active in a way that
separates it even more strongly from Apple, without providing any risky"
(they might prefer an MIT/BSD style license over APSL)

So I was wondering if you'd gotten any sense of what their concerns
actually are.


Cees de Groot <cg at> wrote:
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> On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 15:38, Daniel Vainsencher wrote:
> > If you know, can you supply more details on why the APSL 1.2 is
> > inappropriate, other than not having been in existance when Squeak was
> > created?
> >=20
> As they said, and as Jimmie correctly inferred, it is only meant for
> projects they currently steward.=20
> OBTW, I think it would help negotiations if we'd kick out the Apple
> fonts from the image. I replaced the lot with Helvetica from the X11
> distribution in a couple of hours, and the end result looks a lot more
> modern to boot (I dare not say 'better' ;-)). The only issue is the left
> arrow, but someone that knows more about Squeak fonts than I won't
> probably have a lot of trouble coding up a glyph for it (personally, I'd
> say kick it out, but that's an entirely different matter ;-)).
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