Yes, exactly. Let's get this 3.4! Gives us some time to exercise the 
fix (Nathanael will look at it more or less straight away anyway).

On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 05:19 AM, Doug Way wrote:

>
> Okay, I'm very easily talked out of delaying the 3.4 release any 
> further :-) (and was having second thoughts after posting that last 
> message), so I agree with the prevailing opinion to leave this change 
> out and go ahead with the release.
>
> The Traits and Islands packages for 3.4 can include Andreas' fix as 
> part of their install, which shouldn't significantly hinder people 
> from exercising that code... those packages are both pretty 
> experimental anyway.
>
> - Doug Way
>
>
> On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 08:59 PM, Craig Latta wrote:
>
>> 	Colin writes:
>>
>>> I think it would be worth delaying the release of 3.4 to include this
>>> fix. Having easy-to-install packages for Traits and Islands would be
>>> very beneficial. The more people can play around with and exercise
>>> that code, the better.
>>
>> 	I don't think that's a convincing rationale for inclusion in 3.4. The
>> 3.4 release is a vehicle for SqueakMap. I think only problems which 
>> have
>> a catastrophic effect on a newcomer's ability to use SqueakMap should
>> delay 3.4.
>>
>> 	Doug writes (on the Foundation list):
>>
>>> ...since Andreas just posted the ClassBuilder fix, I'm thinking that
>>> may be worth including and postponing the release by a few days for
>>> people to test.
>>
>> 	Why? (And I don't use question marks lightly in this message, since I
>> know they could cause more delay. :)
>>
>>> Since I'm doing that, I could also perhaps include Ned's recent
>>> ArchiveViewer fix, since I've looked at that and its seems
>>> straightforward and is a somewhat important fix.
>>
>> 	(:
>>
>> 	I don't think "somewhat important" cuts it at this release stage.
>> Instead, I think it's better to weigh the results of leaving something
>> out, rather than of including it.
>>
>> 	My recollection of our group discussions at OOPSLA, in November 2002,
>> were that we would take 3.2, add SqueakMap support to it, and release 
>> it
>> as 3.4. It is now February 2003. This surprises me, even given our
>> history. :)
>>
>> 	I think we should release 3.4 now, and defer all outstanding 
>> available
>> fixes into the 3.5a stream (subject to harvester approval). In our
>> current situation, I think anyone likely to encounter the bugs 
>> described
>> recently will be able to get them easily from the update stream. In 
>> the
>> meantime, newcomers will have easier access to SqueakMap sooner. I 
>> think
>> it's time to release.
>>
>>
>> 	thanks,
>>
>> -C
>>
>> --
>> Craig Latta
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