[Squeakfoundation]re: release prioritization (was "ClassBuilder problem")

Roel Wuyts roel.wuyts at iam.unibe.ch
Fri Feb 28 07:37:59 UTC 2003

Yes, exactly. Let's get this 3.4! Gives us some time to exercise the 
fix (Nathanael will look at it more or less straight away anyway).

On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 05:19 AM, Doug Way wrote:

> Okay, I'm very easily talked out of delaying the 3.4 release any 
> further :-) (and was having second thoughts after posting that last 
> message), so I agree with the prevailing opinion to leave this change 
> out and go ahead with the release.
> The Traits and Islands packages for 3.4 can include Andreas' fix as 
> part of their install, which shouldn't significantly hinder people 
> from exercising that code... those packages are both pretty 
> experimental anyway.
> - Doug Way
> On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 08:59 PM, Craig Latta wrote:
>> 	Colin writes:
>>> I think it would be worth delaying the release of 3.4 to include this
>>> fix. Having easy-to-install packages for Traits and Islands would be
>>> very beneficial. The more people can play around with and exercise
>>> that code, the better.
>> 	I don't think that's a convincing rationale for inclusion in 3.4. The
>> 3.4 release is a vehicle for SqueakMap. I think only problems which 
>> have
>> a catastrophic effect on a newcomer's ability to use SqueakMap should
>> delay 3.4.
>> 	Doug writes (on the Foundation list):
>>> ...since Andreas just posted the ClassBuilder fix, I'm thinking that
>>> may be worth including and postponing the release by a few days for
>>> people to test.
>> 	Why? (And I don't use question marks lightly in this message, since I
>> know they could cause more delay. :)
>>> Since I'm doing that, I could also perhaps include Ned's recent
>>> ArchiveViewer fix, since I've looked at that and its seems
>>> straightforward and is a somewhat important fix.
>> 	(:
>> 	I don't think "somewhat important" cuts it at this release stage.
>> Instead, I think it's better to weigh the results of leaving something
>> out, rather than of including it.
>> 	My recollection of our group discussions at OOPSLA, in November 2002,
>> were that we would take 3.2, add SqueakMap support to it, and release 
>> it
>> as 3.4. It is now February 2003. This surprises me, even given our
>> history. :)
>> 	I think we should release 3.4 now, and defer all outstanding 
>> available
>> fixes into the 3.5a stream (subject to harvester approval). In our
>> current situation, I think anyone likely to encounter the bugs 
>> described
>> recently will be able to get them easily from the update stream. In 
>> the
>> meantime, newcomers will have easier access to SqueakMap sooner. I 
>> think
>> it's time to release.
>> 	thanks,
>> -C
>> --
>> Craig Latta
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Roel Wuyts                                                   Software 
Composition Group
roel.wuyts at iam.unibe.ch                       University of Bern, 
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