On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 11:18:26PM -0400, Jeff Szuhay wrote:
> Your point is well taken.
> 
> But no, I do not mean QuickTime as an open standard. Instead I sorta 
> leaped
> to _all_ proprietary formats (including QuickTime) and the paucity of
> vendor independent content.

Ah, I see.  We agree!

> Can't these proprietary decoders take as input non-proprietary input?

If enough of the non-proprietary media was around, they would.  This
is happening with OGG right now; I hear that some portable MP3 players
are starting to include OGG support.  Hopefully it won't take too long
after Theora is released before we see similar vendor support.

Joshua


> 
> 
> On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 11:10 pm, Joshua 'Schwa' Gargus wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 10:54:55PM -0400, Jeff Szuhay wrote:
> >>Fekk, also in a proprietary format -- RealPlayer.
> >>
> >>What ever happened to common/open data formats?
> >
> >I'm going to make a leap, and conclude from this and your other recent
> >post that you belive that Quicktime is an example of such a
> >common/open data format.  I beg to differ; try playing a Quicktime
> >file on Linux without a proprietary, closed-source plugin.  Fekk.
> >
> >The Quicktime container format may be open, but the commonly used
> >codecs are certainly not.
> >
> >Hopefully Ogg Theora (www.theora.org) will be as nice as Vorbis,
> >and we will have a truly free alternative for video encoding and
> >playback.
> >
> >Joshua
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 06:01 pm, Gary Fisher wrote:
> >>
> >>>see
> >>>http://sloan.stanford.edu/mousesite/1968Demo.html).
> >>--
> >>   When governments fear the people there is liberty.
> >>   When the people fear the government there is tyranny.
> >>     --Thomas Jefferson,
> >>       third US president, architect and author (1743-1826)
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> --
>    The most important political office is that of private citizen.
>      -- Louis Brandeis, lawyer, judge, and writer (1856-1941)
>