Hi Dennis,

> Thank you Diego! Bert! Matej! Nancy! and Alan! for your quick and
> empathetic replies! I'm really looking forward to using Squeak and
> sharing it with my students...BTW anyone know of a knoppix distro.
> shipping with Squeak?

We're (also) working in a live-linux (knoppix or another one) with Squeak as
the first step.  The second step is to use Squeak as the windows-manager.

If you can read Spanish please visit: http://swiki.agro.uba.ar/small_land
for more information about our projects.

Cheers,

Diego

> Dennis
>
> Diego Gomez Deck wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > As a result of the work between LinEx and Small Land we have produced
> > installation packages for debian based distrib utions of Linux and RPM
> > for redhat based.
> >
> > I'll contact the LinEx guru (Jose Redrejo) to publish them
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Diego
> >
> >
> >> Or Macs, which also install simply and cleanly.
> >>
> >> Seriously now, how many teachers currently use Linux?
> >>
> >> However, I'd like to get many more teachers using Linux, so now is a
> >> good time to make the installation much simpler. ("Linux" does seem to
> >> denote a far more ranging loose confederation of features and versions
> >> than even MS and Apple provide -- we have certainly found this so with
> >> respect to both 3D and sound -- so I think it would be good for expert
> >> Linux hackers to define and put forth the reasonable parameters on
> >> which an automatic installer can and should depend.)
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Alan
> >>
> >> At 7:13 AM -0700 7/10/03, Dennis Daniels wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Alan Kay recently spoke at a large national educational technology
> >>>> conference in the US, so there may be other teacher folks who wander
> >>>> into
> >>>> the squeak site needing to understand the distinction between the two
> >>>> different squeak.exe files (same name; same icon for both the
> >>>> squeak.com/complete and squeakland.com/plugin versions).
> >>>
> >>> That would be me, I saw Mr. Kay's presentation in Seattle and I went
> >>> home afire to play with this app...
> >>>
> >>> Squeak hasn't been anywhere as easy to install as I had hoped. Two
> >>> hours later, still not a squeak out of the install. I'm no expert
> >>> with Linux, though I've been using it as my OS (RH) for about a year
> >>> now... Chalk it up to user error, sure. But, Squeak should be as easy
as
> >>>
> >>> apt-get install squeak
> >>>
> >>> should be easy if teachers are going to be using it.
> >>>
> >>> I was really surprised to find outdated rpms and no repository
> >>> (apt-get). Mr Kay's presentation was aimed at teachers but I got the
> >>> feeling, after looking at the install options, Squeak is for teachers
> >>> who are using MS.
> >>>
> >>> I'll take a look at the 'new' instructions. Maybe I'll get it going
> >>> this time...</end whine>
> >>>
> >>> Dennis