Multi-Lingual Squeak, Cathedrals, Bazaars and Fallen Cities.

Yoshiki.Ohshima at acm.org Yoshiki.Ohshima at acm.org
Sat Mar 1 18:09:32 UTC 2003


  Hello,

> HH: I do not think you can say their work is more experimental than
> other parts of Squeak; in fact you guides are considering shipping a
> broken image right now, with an error that almost every Smalltalk in
> the last twenty years hadn't - the ability to compile
> itself. Proposed reason: A newbie will not notice! (Sic!)

  M17n Squeak (This is the name I like to call it) doesn't break the
behavior of existing 8-bit character world.  In that sense, including
it is not too big leap from the current status.

> What do you think all these kids on the great photos are working with?
> http://homepage.mac.com/younos/PhotoAlbum3.html
> http://homepage.mac.com/younos/PhotoAlbum4.html

  If you go to 

http://www.camp-k.com/museum/ws_log/030202/030202_1.html

, you can take a look at the screen captures of their project.  (By
the way, one of the grown-ups in some pictures is me...)

> > Since no one understands it (AFAIK) but him and Abe-san, nobody else can
> > maintain it. 
> 
> No, you have to read the excellent design documentation.
> The docu is really extraordinary - if all of the documents would be like
> that ....

  I'd imagine that maintaining the code is not that simple matter...
But thank you for the comment on the paper.

> > Until someone goes in and breaks it up into pieces we can
> > integrate, it'll remain a separate project. Since Yoshiki has stated he
> > will not have time to do this in the next few months, I called for
> > anyone interested in helping make this happen to step forward. AFAIK, so
> > far, no good.
> 
> 
> Edmund is just proposes to declare to have international script support
> as a long term goal for Squeak. And you Daniel, with a email address
> ending with .il - Woudn't it be a great thing to have for example
> the support of Hebrew script within Squeak?
> 
> Looking for champions | implementers comes later. BTW Edmund is
> a PhD student in Computer science I think, has worked as a cs magazine
> journalist, reads and writes some Japanese and has been a professional
> software tester. Why not delegate the coordination of such an effort to
> him?
> Asking him does not cost more than a few emails? He could be the 
> "product manager" of internationalization. I know that Tedd Blanchard
> would probably be interested as well in this thing.

  Well, I don't know how much time I'm going to have, but I'm thinking
that I can serve as the core contributor and maybe Abe-san would be
happy to be the product manager role.

> > This means that the integration of Yoshiki's work, right now, will have
> > to wait until he has the time to do it, or someone else shows up with a
> > serious itch.
> 
> It is not the question of integrating  the work of Oshima-san and
> Abe-san 
> right now - I agree that the structure of the "Squeak development
> organization" can not cope with this at the moment. But this can 
> change in a few months if properly coordinated.
> 
> I second Eddie in his plea to add having international script support
> in the core as a long term goal (6..12..18 months).

  I like the idea to include it eventually.

  Thank you for the comments and enthusiasm,

-- Yoshiki



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