> As one of he Squeak Guides I thought I should chip in with a few
> reflections, and while doing so I realized that the post was turning
> into a status report about the community so I realized we should
> probably have a  monthly little status report from the Guides trying to
> tell everyone what is going on - it's *a lot* now.

I LIKE this idea of a monthly report!!!!



>
> So I took the liberty of changing the subject line to reflect this, 
> hope
> that is ok. :-)
>
> NOTE: This is a report based mostly on my personal view on what is 
> going
> on. Please remember that. I may for example simply be wrong about stuff
> - it has been known to happen. ;-)
>
> Jerry Balzano <gjbalzano at ucsd.edu> wrote:
>>> Thank you for these comments, Jerry. I think you're bringing up 
>>> important
>>> points.  I think it needs to be emphasized over and over again that 
>>> Squeak
>>> is a research system. It is not a completed product, but a work in
>>> progress, and that causes ome of the frustrations teachers and other
>>> novices experience.
>>
>> But John, I really don't consider myself a "novice" in the sense that 
>> I
>> think you mean.  NetLogo (the Illinois version of StarLogo)  is a 
>> research
>> system too, but I have learned to program in it pretty well, and to 
>> teach
>> others to program in it pretty effectively themselves, **even though 
>> it is
>> much "harder" than Squeak**.
>
> Are you here referring to eToys or Squeak as in Smalltalk? I assume
> eToys and in that area I am a complete idiot so I will not imply that I
> have any answers to that. From what I have seen and read though
> (SqueakNews had a lot of interesting articles about eToys/kids/schools,
> and who stole my CDs at OOPSLA btw? Grrr.) eToys probably works pretty
> fine **with proper guidance**. Just a hunch.
>
>> And NetLogo/StarLogo is a moving target too, but *nothing* (maybe in 
>> the
>> whole Universe) moves as fast as Squeak.  2005 posts to SqueakDev in 
>> the
>> month of February alone!  The plea from me is to slow the train down 
>> enough
>
> But wait a minute - now we are talking about Squeak and not eToys. 
> Those
> two must be kept separate in this discussion. Or at least we need to be
> aware of that separation. :-) Even though the activity is high on the
> list, currently eToys is more or less sitting still (right guys?).
>
> And frankly, the noise/signal ratio has gone up a bit I think, but I am
> not sure - on the other hand that is natural given the current
> development, read on.
>
> One thing I am sure about is that the community is "waking up" and we
> are having a hard time trying to coordinate all the discussions and
> decisions. I think it is gradually sinking in that SqC isn't around
> anymore and the community - that's us - we need to stand on our own
> feet. And people are standing up a lot. :-) So it's probably a kindof
> "rush" right now that may cool down. In short - a lot is happening but 
> I
> think we - as a community - are still coping.
>
> One very good example of "people standing up" is the documentation
> project steaming ahead by first cleaning up the Squeak Swiki - a juicy
> job, but I think they are doing fine. I just hope they will have some
> energy left in the end to try to keep it in the good shape they are
> bringing it to. :-) And btw, this project does generate quite a lot of
> traffic on the list - for very good reasons.
>
> In general I think we are doing "ok" so far, even though I myself feel
> like my head is spinning. :-)
>
>> to let some of us who are in the education business do what we do 
>> best to
>> show what you do best to the best possible advantage.  As it is, we 
>> both
>> lose.  Is that too harsh?  I don't know; but it seems to me even the 
>> people
>> developing Squeak, some of whom may care not at all about education, 
>> are
>> moving so fast in potentially different directions that it is very
>> difficult to coordinate their (your) efforts.  That can't be optimal 
>> for
>> their (your?) goals either, can it?
>
> Well, coordination is hard. But this is open source doing what it does
> best. Evolution.
> Or you can call it chaos if you like! :-)
>
> In short - I don't think we are capable of "slowing down". Honestly. 
> But
> we *are* capable of making the ride more enjoyable. The
> sociology/psychology of open source is quite interesting - people are
> here to have fun, scratch itches, learn and of course simply to use
> Squeak. But I don't think we can tell people to "slow down". That would
> be like telling people what to do in their spare time! Obviously people
> do what the heck they like in their spare time. :-)
>
> But again - we can make the ride less bumpy. In very, very short, this
> is what is going on in that sense right now:
>
> 1. Documentation project, see http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/808
> This project is cleaning up the Swiki to start with. Exactly how they
> are proceeding after that is still open I think, there are ideas about
> an interactive reference "Magic book" inside Squeak and much more. They
> are also actively writing new/missing class comments. This has
> revitalized the whole "documentation question" with a lot of 
> interesting
> ideas. We will see where it leads - the cool part is that somebody is
> *doing* something instead of talking about it.
>
> 2. Morphic cleanup project (MCP), see
> http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/3005
> This project is doing an overhaul of Morphic. And they are moving in an
> impressive speed and are automating a lot of parts of their process.
> These procedures that they are developing have turned out as a
> "template" for other projects, especially the KCP project below.
>
> 3. Kernel cleanup project (KCP), see
> http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/3083
> The SCG group in Berne are digging into the deep, meta-mythical kernel
> of Squeak with intentions of making it better/simpler/cleaner. And they
> are very capable to succeed. They are also stepping up to the plate to
> become Stewards of the kernel. Being a Steward is a concept that has
> been coined on the list and it is essentially being a "package
> maintainer" for a part of "base" Squeak - typically some part that is
> currently in the standard image. The community have not yet (!!) given
> them the "official" approvement as Stewards of the kernel but I think
> this is simply an oversight. Yes, I did look through the thread in
> question but I couldn't find any "definitive decision" even though all
> who responded were positive. In order to not drag this out any more I
> just posted a "decision time" post on the sqf-list where the Guides
> communicate. If all guides agree then its "official", otherwise we will
> simply discuss it further.
>
> 4. The Guides are leading the discussions/decisions about how the
> releases should work and how we "harvest" all the abundant improvements
> to Squeak that we are swimming in. Currently we are deciding how/what
> version 3.5 will be. This is a big subject and there are tons of 
> threads
> regarding this area.
>
> 5. SqueakMap is slowly moving forward. The current version is pretty
> stable - there is one or two silly bugs but apart from that it is
> ticking like a clock. Thank god. This weekend I will try hard to get
> SM1.1 cooking and out the door in a first alpha! Yep, my 
> soon-to-be-wife
> is going away so, hehe, I can code all night long... ;-) SM1.1 will 
> make
> SqueakMap hopefully work much more "as it should" and make it much
> easier for all of us to keep the universe of packages in good coherent
> shape.
>
> I have probably missed a few projects going on like Marcus Denker's
> brilliant TEST-project and many others (forgive me) but all in all
> almost everything going on right now is about making the ride **less**
> bumpy. This is IMHO an important observation. We are **not** simply
> hacking away in various directions.
>
>>> Any programming environment provides challenges to non-expert users, 
>>> and
>>> expert help is often needed. In my opinion many who promote 
>>> computers as
>>> tools for learning say too little about the amount of support 
>>> teachers and
>>> students need in order to get good results.
>>
>> Amen to your second sentence; I am not quite "in the trenches" but I 
>> am
>> closer than most, and believe me, I know this.  As to your first 
>> sentence,
>> this is part of my point, and it requires a willing suspension of 
>> disbelief
>> on your part: Why can I not provide something even close to "expert 
>> help"
>> on Squeak, when given comparable amounts of time on half a dozen other
>> languages/environments I have been more than equal to the task?  And 
>> if
>> it's true for me, how many other potential educational "middlemen" 
>> are you
>> losing?  Do you care?
>
> We care. And while I am not sure I agree with the fact that we are
> "loosing educational middlemen" (at least not in Squeak in general,
> eToys is something I don't know about) do you have any more concrete
> proposals other than simply slowing down? This is an honest question, I
> am not trying to sound arrogant. It is just that I don't really know
> what we can/should do that we aren't trying!
>
> Currently the whole community is on their toes and "all ears" - the
> energy is high. We can do **anything** (just look at those crazy guys
> digging into Morphic, jikes ;-) ) right now. And it is simply a joy to
> me - Squeak is finally standing on its own!
>
> But to get back to your question: eToys in particular is tricky - I 
> will
> leave that area to someone much more capable than me: ...eh, someone?
>
>> 		-Jerry
>
> regards, Göran
>
> PS. Again, I hope you didn't mind me splashing this monthly report all
> over your thread... Perhaps it was a bad idea, well, whatever.
>
>
>
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