Freeing Squeak (license-wise)

Alan Kay Alan.Kay at squeakland.org
Thu Mar 13 13:51:11 UTC 2003


I think the basic theory of Apple and Disney here is way off ... and 
should be reconsidered.

Cheers,

Alan

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At 1:03 PM +0100 3/13/03, Cees de Groot wrote:
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>On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 11:28, Hannes Hirzel wrote:
>>  I could imagine that lawyers from Apple or Disney
>>  probably preceive this differently.
>>
>I think it is relatively simple to get the rest of the community going,
>yes. And I don't know what the lawyers from Apple and/or Disney
>perceive, nor do I care. What lawyers perceive (sorry, Andrew) is
>secondary and always subject to negotiation. The really important
>showstopper thing is whether Apple and Disney are willing to negotiate
>*at all*. Not the lawyers, but the decision makers.
>
>Until we have that showstopper cleared, spending time on any other task
>related to the project is a potential complete wasted effort. As a
>project manager, I usually try to clear such issues before burning money
>(or, worse, volunteer time) on stuff dependent on showstoppers.
>
>I'll contact the guy at Apple around the end of March. Someone should
>contact Disney and start feeling around there as well. By the time we
>have these two parties at the negotiating table (and I'm not holding my
>breath at all - in fact, I think it's a futile exercise but at least we
>need to be able to say "we tried"), we can spawn out and perform
>parallel activities that might help oil negotiations.
>
>Some compared my pushing for the removal of Apple fonts to running
>around and collecting signatures. This is not a perfect analogy for
>several reasons:
>- Removing the Apple fonts and replacing them with 'mainstream' fonts
>has additional benefits;
>- I perceived that to be a crucial issue for Apple, protective as they
>are of their 'IP' (quoted because I find the word an ugly contradiction
>in terms).
>- The amount of work involved is much lower (I could do it in two hours
>- hunting down all contributors, drawing up contracts, deciding on a new
>license they would release to, deciding on a legal entity to release to,
>etcetera is several orders of magnitude more work).
>
>Anyway, just my two eurocents...
>
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