Introduction to Squeak?

jennyw jennyw at dangerousideas.com
Sat Mar 29 19:01:12 UTC 2003


Hi, Andreas,

I'm also reading through the FAQ and links to intros on the Swiki, which
is helpful.  I do have some questions to start out with ...

Is it not typical to put comments in classes so that one knows what they 
do?  Is it generally the case that to find out how to use a class you 
just read through the code?  The thing I'm exploring right now is 
Celeste, since I have an interest in e-mail programs (as in I'm 
frustrated with all of them).

I used SqueakMap to install SUnit 3.1.  I noticed that as I installed 
packages, they disappeared off the list.  Does this mean that there is 
no uninstall facility?  I did notice that SUnit had two packages to load 
for uninstalling.  I assume that loading these removed code.  I guess I 
was originally thinking this would be similar to Debian's apt-get, but 
it seems to be a bit simpler.

I noticed that when I was downloading mail into Celeste that I wasn't
able to do anything else.  Is this because Squeak is not by nature 
multi-threaded/multi-processing?

FYI, the project I originally had in mind was to do some basic IMAP
manipulation.  I do this a bit from Perl and thought it would be nice to
do this from Squeak. I'm beginning to realize this may be a bit
difficult since there doesn't seem to be any IMAP support in Squeak. 
When I asked about this a while ago, Les Tyrrell mentioned that he had
written some IMAP stuff for VisualWorks that could be ported. However, I
can't find that package any longer -- it seems his Web pages are no
longer up.  So if I go ahead with this, this would probably be from
scratch (although I would be able to use IMAP modules from other
languages like Python and Perl for ideas).

Thanks!

Jen

On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 12:08:55AM +0100, Andreas Raab wrote:
> Hi Jen,
> 
> It depends a little bit on what exactly you want to do but Mark's books
> would still be my first recommendation. Even though some parts may be a
> little outdated by now (not very many actually) it will give you a very good
> idea about how to build things with Squeak. I'd actually use it with the
> Squeak version which is on the CDs - this will make sure that it ought to
> work. In fact, those versions might be sufficient for what you're planning
> (as I don't know what your project is about). If not, it would probably be
> best to ask for help on this list - people are pretty quick with answers and
> generally very friendly here.
> 
> And by the way, if you are looking for general information about the
> language and OOP in general, be sure to check out Stef's collection of free
> books about Smalltalk
> (http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/WebPages/FreeBooks.html) - even if they're
> not discussing the latest technology in Squeak some of them are excellent
> books on general programming issues (and they only cost you download time ;)
> 
> Good luck!
>   - Andreas



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