Richard A. O'Keefe wrote:
> It is news to me that we are able to *perceive* any non-physical objects.

It is news to me that we are able to *perceive* physical objects. ;-)
What is the difference between a perception and a deception? Inevitably, you
have to make a judgement. So it's the world of predicates that constitutes
the real world (as I wrote before on this list). Indeed similar to Popper's
World 3.

The "abstract" world of meanings is the empirical world.
The concrete sensual world has no reality for itself.

(btw. no reason to abandon reality and only speak of intentions as someone
in this thread did: children are able to express a lot of unintented
intention! Is it useful to speak of intention then?)

But it's getting off topic...

Christian

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> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:51:46 +1200 (NZST)
> From: "Richard A. O'Keefe" <ok at cs.otago.ac.nz>
> To: squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> Subject: Re:  copy yourself ?
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> diegogomezdeck at consultar.com notes that
> 	[I] added to [his] phrase the wor[d] "physical".
> 	[He] only said: "real objects"
> 	(physicals are included, but other objects al[s]o are).
> 	
> The text I was responding to was this:
> 	> 	The Object Orientation paradigm is good just because the
> 	> 	"computational objects" are similar to real objects (or objects we
> 	> 	perceive as reals (to be matrix-compatible)).
> 
> It is news to me that we are able to *perceive* any non-physical objects.
> Yes, I know about the Platonic view that some people can apprehend the
> Ideas directly.  In one of his books, Penrose seems to agree.  I think
> they are wrong.  To quote a dictionary, "perception is the awareness
> of things that you have by means of your senses", and even Plato and
> Penrose would not claim that you apprehend the Ideas by means of your
> senses.
> 
> On the other hand, there are those blocks the manipulation of which is
> supposed to give you insight into four-dimensional space, so as Popper
> once famously remarked "I may have to eat humble pie".
> 

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