Jimmie Houchin <jhouchin at texoma.net> wrote:
> Hello Göran,
> 
> goran.krampe at bluefish.se wrote:
> [SNIP]
> > And no - HttpView is not as advanced as Seaside, but it is pretty nifty
> > in itself. And soon there will be a nice article to read with samples
> > etc! :-)
> 
> I most definitely think there is room for different web tool kits.
> Not necessarily a proliferation, but a few to cover different views.
> As Avi suggested sharing some infrastructure would be nice where 
> beneficial to both tools.

Yes, I can promise you all that I will look into this (folding HV into
Seaside or something similar) when I have the next release + article
out!

> But it appears from my limited understanding of both Seaside and HV that 
> they have different philosophies and perspectives and neither is wrong.
> 
> Somethings that are very much a part of Seaside don't fit into my view 
> of my current webapps. But they seem to work very well for Avi and 
> company. Seaside seems to be a very unique and brilliant web environment.
> 
> I currently very much want/need bookmarkable pages.
> I currently very much want reasonable and readable URLs.
>    ie: limited (preferrably none) state information embedded in the URL.

This is also a priority in HttpView.

> Those are my priorities for my current project not Seasides.
> If I am wrong about Seaside's ability to have bookmarkable pages by 
> their nature not by explicitly defined entry points, please correct my 
> understanding. I don't say this as a knock against Seaside. It has my 
> utmost respect.

Same here. IMHO Seaside is the way to go for advanced apps. HttpView is
more suited to simpler apps and is perhaps also more hackable (it is
thinner and probably smaller, less magic).

But HV is also of course less capable and doesn't get rid of the HTTP
flow.

> URL handling is one area I liked very much about Zope.
> There is much I didn't, which is why I am no longer there. :)

The URL handling in HV is a bit manual currently - I am thinking about
how to improve it for the next release. But improvement would be only in
the details - the general scheme stays the same.

> > PS. I am giving HttpView an overhaul right now, has just made it work
> > with the new Komanche from Stephen and I am also simplifying some stuff
> > etc.
> 
> I look forward to seeing the new HV and the new articles.

Thanks!
 
> I've been considering installing it, but didn't know what conflicts 
> there would be with Kom6.x.

Well, the current release doesn't work with Kom6.2. But the one on my
laptop does. :) I just need to test the more advanced Form stuff - there
might be differences in how Comanche operates there.

> I've just read your two articles. I look forward to others.

So... did you like the articles? :-)
 
> Pantera is good? Yes!!!

It has always been my childhood dream car. And I actually saw one for
sale from 1971 with 400hp (this was about 15 years ago) for $14000.
 
> Jimmie Houchin

regards, Göran