On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 10:23:40AM +0200, Ingo Hohmann wrote:
> Hi Andreas,
> 
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 02:06:55AM +0200, Andreas Raab wrote:
> >
> >Hi Daniel,
> >
> >
> >>Hi. I think the multiple viewpoints idea is correct, but I 
> >>disagree that there should be a progression from Learners to
> >>Programmers (EToys to Morphic) - part of our audience is
> >>experienced programmers of other languages who may or may
> >>not have interest in EToys.
> >
> >I couldn't possibly disagree more here ;) 
> 
> Oh, really?
> 
> I am *sure* there are different viewpoints between the two groups, but
> as with men and women, wouldn't the world be much less interesting when
> they were both the same? Of course, it only gets _really_ interesting
> once you get them together. ;-)
> 
> So I think the best thing to do is to acknowledge that there are
> differences ...

There are differences :-)

> 
> Some people would be overwhelmed, if they were thrown into the depth of 
> Smalltalk,
> 
> and experienced programmers would feel bored if they were to be led to 
> an EToy example, *as the first idea on what there is about Squeak*.
> 
> ... but it should be possible to let them both progress to into the 
> viewpoint of the other one.

That is pretty much what Andreas said... right now there's EToys, and
there's Smalltalk, and it's pretty tough to make the jump from the
former to the latter.  He didn't specifically mention moving from
Smalltalk to EToys, but then again, that progression doesn't really
pose a problem for Smalltalk programmers.

> 
> There is *one* community, but two very distinct ways to get into it, and
> this should be acknowledged.
> 

Who do you think doesn't agree with this statement, and what did they
write that leads you to think so?

Best,
Joshua

> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Ingo
> 
> 
>