www.squeak.org??? (attached page version 2.0)

Doug Way dway at riskmetrics.com
Sat Sep 13 05:41:33 UTC 2003


Michael's more recent page is starting to look pretty good.  (Yes, 
maybe the right column isn't necessary at first, etc., but those are 
things that can be worked out.)

The bottom line is, we need to have someone volunteer to work on this 
for a bit and iterate a few times with posting new versions to the list 
for review.  Then, if *most* interested people generally agree with 
certain points about the content, layout, etc., we can go with that.  
(You'll never get *everyone* to agree to each point, but more than half 
is good. ;-) )  For example, it appears that most people (not everyone) 
so far agree that the squeak.org front page should be static html.  
(I'll add that I strongly agree with this too.)  But then there should 
be several direct links to content on the Swiki, etc.  Obviously stuff 
like the "where we are headed" pages on squeak.org should not be static 
html.

Anyway, Michael, if you want to volunteer to keep moving this forward, 
that would be great. <nudge> ;-)  You wouldn't even have to be the 
permanent maintainer of the site, once it's finished there wouldn't be 
much work to do... the current squeak.org admins could do it.  
(Although if you wanted to maintain it that would be great too).  If we 
don't get volunteers for these sorts of things, the discussions will 
typically fizzle out and nothing gets done.

- Doug


On Thursday, September 11, 2003, at 03:59 AM, Michael van der Gulik 
wrote:

> Giovanni Corriga wrote:
>> Il mer, 2003-09-10 alle 22:50, Colin Putney ha scritto:
>>> Looks good to me. The only quibble I have is that I think it would 
>>> look better without borders between the table cells. Oh, and the 
>>> right hand column could be dropped if no immediate use is found. It 
>>> would be easy to put back later if it's needed.
>
> The right-hand column is there to make the page look more balanced, 
> and because lots of other web-sites do that too. I figured it would be 
> a great place to show things off; screenshots and the like. If I ever 
> see another free project somewhere, I always make a B-line for the 
> screenshots for the eye candy (okay, so I'm superficial :-P ). Squeak 
> has lots of eye-candy.
>
>> - the links under "Welcome to Squeak.org" are a bit redundant, given
>> that they are also in the left column. Also, the header looks nicer
>> without those three links.
>
> Those links are the things that I kind of assume people would use 
> quite often; shortcuts to the mailing list archive (where most of the 
> action is) and the swiki. I personally would not like to lose them.
>
> If they don't look good then you could probably make them look good 
> with fancy text, graphics etc...?
>
>> - the Download section should be more visible. I'd say it should be
>> placed before Documentation
>
> Agreed! Lets get people addicted ASAP!
>
>> - we could add a Projects section just after the Community section,
>> listing SqueakLand.org, the SqueakMap and Croquet.
>
> ...linking to a wiki site somewhere.
>
> Which reminds me. If the front page is the only page that has this 
> colour scheme / theme and all sub-pages are on the wiki, then I'm not 
> sure what sort of impression we'll be making on people visiting the 
> site.
>
> Can a wiki also have some theme? I think it's moderately important to 
> have a bit of consistency; make things look fairly professional even 
> though Squeak is only all good fun.
>
>> -  a Development section with useful info, such as the release 
>> roadmap,
>> info on the KCP, links about BFAV, the new test server etc.
>> - a Links with links to ESUG and other smalltalk related sites.
>
> There are lots of those... it probably also should be a wiki site. 
> www.whysmalltalk.com, plus links to other dialects pages, plus 
> comp.lang.smalltalk...
>
> Stef has also made a few comments about my page. Stef: thanks for your 
> fantastic collection of online books; nobody has the right to complain 
> about lack of documentation! They should also be linked from the front 
> page. Perhaps the Squeak CD should also be directly accessable from 
> the front page?
>
> mikevdg.
>
>



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