--- In squeak at yahoogroups.com, "Lex Spoon" <lex at c...> wrote:
> "mwgrant2001" <mwgrant2001 at y...> wrote:
> > I've gotten some good rules of thumb 
...
[Lex responds]
> Man, we are from different worlds.  I think "newbie" is a kind term,
> just like beginner only more informal.  I think "sandbox" is any 
place
> to mess around, and isn't necessarily a kiddish term.
> 
> But anyway, who cares about the exact name.  I just put something 
in to
> start with.  All the more accurate names I could think of for 
either the
> class or the category would have been unhelpful for new people, but
> ideas are welcome.
> 

Maybe I should consider using something like Dolphin for 
experimentation in the corporate world--cost is a personal factor. 
And then just play with Squeak for the fun, help with docs as I learn 
more, etc. After all the experimental side is just what attracts many 
of its devotees. (And the colors--a little customizing and it looks 
so good!)

ANd yes, we probably are from different worlds. And I should not 
pound you for the one you have or more to the point the one I have ;-
). If you like your world, be smart and stay there. I can't recommend 
mine--there they think Microsoft Office is innovation. And it can be 
very tough to use less than 'orthodox' software. We all know that the 
language surrounding an application can keep it from ever getting to 
the starting gate in some work environments. I'm not saying this is 
right. I'm just saying is often happens. (BTW this theme has occurred 
before in the forum and the comment can die here AFAIAC. :)

FOR THE RECORD: 'Sandbox' is an excellent term. As you might suspect 
it is not one that I can not necessarily use with some who foot the 
bills in my world. You implemented 'Sandbox' and the term is 
very 'Squeakish' in character, and hence appropriate. I meant no 
offense.


> Remember that commercial, "When I grow up, I wanna file all day 
long"? 
> No one says that, and also no one says, "When I learn to program, I 
want
> to make categories all day long".  :)

But making a category for code in progress must be a common worthy 
task. Pre-wiring a 'Sandbox' reinforces the idea. I would make sure  
the absolutely first-time out-of-the-box new user is aware 
of 'Sandbox' and given a little guidance on categories in the context 
of 'taking care of your new' programming environment. Maybe as a part 
of a 'things you need to know' list that's right there in the Squeak 
intro when you run it the first time.
> 
> 
> So I think we should move in the opposite direction: provide a 
default
> name for any new item, whenever it is possible.  You shouldn't have 
to
> title your sculpture before you start smushing the clay around.

Makes sense to me. But you may want to distinguish between clay and 
stone. The latter is hard to smush.

Best regards, and thanks again for the sandbox.

Mike