Right On ! Well stated ! Let the positivity of this community flow forward and the negativity subside.

- Russ Van Rooy
[amateur squeaker lurking on this list since squeak 2.x]

Goran.krampe at bluefish.se wrote :

> Hi all!
> 
> I have been reading and frantically writing the first WEEKLY report and
> I must say that the recent traffic on the list has been *quite
> disheartening*. Now, Tim of course said one of the most sensible things
> in all this:
> 
> "What is the problem here? Do I need to spend my limited time and money
> to arrange a would tour to dopeslap some of you guys? Stop damn whining
> and get on with having fun."
> 
> And I definitely agree. Let us STOP being so darn negative and get on
> with shaping up Squeak.
> 
> Now... my take on all this is that it all boils down to people not
> realizing some "truths" in our community:
> 
> - Squeak is a *diverse* community. Different people have different
> *focus* and are good at different things. We just have to ACCEPT THAT.
> Stop whining about "multimedia Squeak" or any other special
> direction
> you happen to care about. Noone likes whiners. Get off your butt instead
> and work in that direction.
> 
> - Most of us aren't working full time on this. Or rather almost noone
> is. This means NOONE owes NOTHING to ANYONE. Ok?
> 
> - Development follows a simple rule: If there is a Squeaker interested
> in something it gets worked at. Period. No, I said PERIOD.
> 
> Ok, so the conclusion is what? Simple. If there is noone working on say
> "multimedia parts" of Squeak, then they will rot. It is *that
> simple*.
> And it doesn't help ONE DAMN BIT for one Squeaker to tell another
> Squeaker to "fix that". Noone owes anyone anything.
> 
> So frankly - if there are people wining about parts in Squeak being
> neglected - WORK ON IT YOURSELF damnit! Or shut up.
> 
> Finally, there is NOONE here trying to make it harder for multimedia
> Squeak. There is noone here that does NOT want "personal media" etc.
> We
> all want it. Really. Stephane and the guys are doing THE BEST THEY CAN.
> And so are everyone else involved here. There is NO NEED to throw
> negativity around. Really. Let's HELP EACH OTHER instead. If it all
> comes down to what packages are in Basic or Full then that is a SMALL
> PROBLEM. 
> 
> So the overall challenge is this:
> 
> - How do we create a Squeak so that different directions can coexist
> together? Avoiding forks?
> 
> Answer: Packages. Modularisation. And all that comes with it so that we
> can maintain "distros" or "images" in parallell and so that
> we can rely
> on the same base packages. This is standard obvious stuff people -
> repeat after me - packages, packages. I mean, there are almost 500
> packages on SM today! Does anyone in his right mind really think all
> those could have been living happily together in a single damn image fed
> by an update stream?! No of course not.
> 
> - And what happens when package X isn't being maintained properly and
> someone is sad about it?
> 
> Answer: It bloody rots. But *so what*? If noone is prepared to maintain
> it then obviously noone cares. Let it rot I say! Bah! :)
> 
> Now, everyone stop whining and get working on the stuff YOU care about.
> Sound? Graphics? Balloon3D? Great! Perfect! Cleaning up Compiler?
> Superb! Making the environment better? Yippi! Making SM the best coolest
> thing since sliced bread (with dependencies)? Yes!
> 
> And in the end hopefully we can have a common small kernel image and add
> packages on top of it to end up in our own favourite little place.
> 
> End of rant, over and out, Göran
> 
> PS. Remember - the alternative with a dying silent Squeak community is
> much worse. Now we have a lively, but sure pretty confused and messy
> community. But that is better than none. Now we all just need to learn
> to cooperate a bit better and life will be good. :)

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