ask for APSL? for real this time?
jp1660 at att.net
Wed Jan 7 06:22:12 UTC 2004
Well, I tried to register a project at SourceForge that was to be based on
and they rejected it because they don't consider Squeak to be open source.
consider the current license to be adequate in any shape or form. And with
kind of attitude, I'll not continue its development in Squeak.
>The only benefit of the perennial licensing discussion is that it
>that Squeak continues to attract dreamers. Unfortunately, it also burns up
>bandwidth (cheap) and enthusiasm (priceless) while accomplishing little of
>value that couldn't be better dealt with via FAQ.
>Rather than opening the can of worms which could ensue in reopening the
>license, which would be likely to result in more rather than less restrictive
>provisions given recent efforts to turn IP into revenue, the best way to get
>Squeak onto desktops (not just menus) is to promote its capabilities in such
>a way that potential users feel a need for it.
>To do that we need, first, to build and package readily usable and compelling
>applications (not just demonstrations) for various target markets, and then
>to make them known to those markets through articles in their publications,
>presentations at their conferences, contact on their websites and so on --
>exactly the same as any other competitor for mindshare (and exactly what Alan
>and others leading the effort have been doing). An educator or manager is
>far more likely to use a tool they've read about or seen, even if it takes a
>few clicks to install it, than some otherwise anonymous item on a Debian CD.
>The current license is more than adequate.
>On Tuesday 06 January 2004 04:08, Cees de Groot wrote:
>> I have asked for that about a year ago and got a clear and resounding
>> 'No' as an answer from Apple.
>. . .
>> Personally, I think that any time spent talking about the SqueakL is
>> time lost. If you really want to include Squeak in Debian, for example,
>> make that fetch/install script, wrap up a .deb for it, and submit it to
>> Debian. I give you a 90% chance it will be accepted, and a 0.1% chance
>> that you will ever get Squeak under a different license.
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