Ok, I said I wasn't going to post further on this thread, but I can't 
resist:  Andrew Catton informs me that he just read this post in gmail, 
and one of the suggested "Related Links" was on "Managing Anger in the 
Workplace".

Google - now *there's* wisdom.

Peace out.
Avi

On Jul 10, 2004, at 5:51 PM, Avi Bryant wrote:

>
> On Jul 10, 2004, at 5:17 PM, Ramiro Diaz Trepat wrote:
>
>> Yes yes... It's true that you guys add a lot to Squeak.
>> In spite of that, and in spite of how smart you are Avi, you seem to 
>> lack wisdom.  I don't really know you or anybody here, but I believe 
>> you must be very young, and may be a bit immature, to be so arrogant 
>> and to show so little respect towards the work of Chris (whom I don't 
>> know either), but who is obviously someone very smart as well, and 
>> with the balls to undertake the enormous problem of object 
>> persistence in Squeak by himself.  I don't know who do you respect 
>> here, may be Alan Kay, may be Dan Ingalls.  I haven't done a lot of 
>> research but I'm sure they don't come out to people who is trying to 
>> add value to Squeak that way.
>
> If I've been arrogant, offensive, or disrespectful, I apologize.  I 
> don't apologize for providing feedback on what I see as issues with 
> the current version of Magma: I believe that's the purpose of lists 
> such as these, and if negative feedback is not provided, then nothing 
> will ever improve.  Indeed, I sorely wish that people were more 
> critical of the work that I release - knowing what people like is good 
> and is gratifying, but knowing what people *don't* like is crucial.
>
> However, I could have been more graceful in accepting the way my 
> feedback was taken; Chris is of course free to place as much or as 
> little weight on it as he likes, and it's not for me to criticize him 
> for his choice.
>
> I don't believe that my posts are generally rude or overbearing, and I 
> have great respect for everyone in this community, not just those you 
> mention.  But since this particular thread seems to have struck a 
> nerve (in myself, or in others), I will refrain from posting on it 
> further.
>
> Here's to Squeak, to Magma, and to the continuing improvement of both.
>
> Avi
>
>