On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:04:02 +0200, Bert Freudenberg <bert at impara.de> wrote:
> 
> Am 28.06.2004 um 10:05 schrieb muyuubyou:
> 
> > I installed the Debian packages first, and then the plug-in.
> > Installing the plug-in broke my previous debian installation and I had
> > to reinstall.
> 
> How did you install the browser plugin? What broke? Which debian
> packages did you use?

I used the .debs  at INRIA. This was around 4-5 days ago (yes I'm a
new squeaker).
It would be best to set up a package server allowing dependencies and
a simple apt-get install to do the whole thing, but that's another
point.


> 
> > Also, first thing it asks when using the plug-in is to upgrade (from
> > within the browser). That caught me for a while, hanging my browser.
> > Reason: I was running the browser as non-root (for security reasons,
> > this is a good idea, and sometimes not an option if you're running a
> > multi-user environment).
> >
> > So basically you CAN'T update the plug-in if the browser is run as
> > non-root, and the user has to figure this out
> 
> Yes, you CAN. ;-) In fact, this is how it was ever intended.
> 
> I assume you mean the popup menu from within Squeak in the browser that
> asks if you want to install updates? That should definitely work! You
> install the plugin as root, and it puts the plugin image under
> /usr(/local)/lib/squeak. When you run your browser as non-root (which
> is indeed the only sensible way to run a browser), the plugin will copy
> the image to your $(HOME)/.npsqueak/ directory on first run. This is
> done by the "npsqueakrun" script in the VM version subdirectory. This
> is the image that gets updated and saved, and of course it should be
> writable by the user.


I run the browser (Mozilla Firefox) as non-root and didn't work. I
tried several times. Then I tried running it as root and it worked.
Then I switched to non-root and it didn't ask for upgrades anymore.
Should I assume it's not using the folders it should? . Please check
this.

> 
> > (my guess is many will be clueless and dissapointed).
> 
> Unfortunately, I think this is true, nevertheless. When I wanted to
> install Squeak on the SkoleLinux system at LinuxTag, it took *me* like
> an hour to get everything nicely together (3.6 VM, working plugin,
> German default image for use by inisqueak). Granted, it was the first
> time I installed Squeak on a Debian system, but still ...
> 
> One problem, for example, was that the npsqueak.so plugin file did not
> have the executable flag set, which caused the npsqueakregister script
> (the one registering the plugin with all the browsers) to fail.
> 
> I tried the plugin with Mozilla and it works fine. It does not work
> with Konqueror because Michael's server-side platform-detection logic
> (project.jsp) does not even show the plugin page. Michael: maybe it's
> better if you just assume it might work and display the Mozilla page on
> anything unix-y?
> 
> - Bert -
> 
> 

It took me around 30 minutes to get the plug-in to work properly, then
add some more to realize my previous squeak installation was broken,
and reinstall.

Other thing is running different versions of squeak in the same
machine. This took me some time as well. I wanted to do this because
a)wanted to try mini-squeak from 2.2 b)wanted 2.8 because the latest
version has some bugs that get in the way sometimes (I want to test
the alpha, but I also want a stable version). I'd say many people
would want several versions running (especially developers).

Hope this helps improving Squeak.