Colin Putney <cputney at wiresong.ca> wrote:
> 
> On Mar 3, 2004, at 1:25 PM, goran.krampe at bluefish.se wrote:
> 
> > Ok, so in short you think it is pointless to even *try*? And how would
> > we ever be able to evolve Squeak with say Traits if we can't even agree
> > on some simple, small coding conventions *in the standard packages*?
> >
> > Again - please people, come on! Can't at least some of you say "Hey, 
> > you
> > got a point here. Perhaps we could try to introduce a few standard
> > conventions in our *standard packages*."?! And then we can take the
> > discussion from there.
> >
> > If not - then it truly disappoints me, I really thought this community
> > was... capable of constructive cooperation instead of petty "No, I 
> > don't
> > like this or that!" or "Forget it, no point..."
> 
> Actually, I don't think it's petty at all. Given that:
> 
> 1. Style is a very subjective thing, and it will be difficult to get a 
> community consensus.

Of course. But... sigh.
- I am only talking about simple small things automatically enforceable.
- And I am only talking about the standard packages.

Either I am not making sense or noone is listening, whichever it ends
with this posting.

> 2. Pretty printers can help by ensuring that those who are really 
> annoyed by bad style don't have to look at it. (Ok, the currently 
> available pretty-printer isn't ideal, but still.)

Not the best pretty printer in the world will fix for example:
- Class comments
- Proper english sentences

> 3. Even when badly styled, Smalltalk is one of the most readable 
> programming languages available.
> 
> I think it's reasonable to conclude that the initial effort required to 
> reach a consensus and the on-going effort required to enforce it 
> wouldn't be worth the benefits it would bring. I'd characterize this 
> position as "Our energies are better spent elsewhere," rather than 
> "Forget it, no point..."
> 
> Clearly you disagree, and that's great. But part of constructive 
> cooperation is deciding on priorities, and style conventions don't seem 
> to be high on many people's lists.

Well then, as I said. It ends right there. The lack of support in this
is quite telling.
Thanks for listening.

> Colin

regards, Göran