Hello Squeakers

Gary McGovern zeppy at australia.edu
Wed Mar 24 13:14:01 UTC 2004


I'll never understand the dream to make squeak like unix or the unix dream
to make unix like windows.
Gary :))))


>Hi all!
>
>"Bill Schwab" <BSchwab at anest.ufl.edu> wrote:
>> Far be it from me to stand in the way of Squeak's growing a good
connection to native widgets, but I submit that it is not all that
essential, and would in fact be a step backwards in some ways.  However, if
it is an option with no overhead when it's not used, then it's a good
thing.
>
>
>Personally I just think choice is good per definition. Right now lots of
>potential Squeakers aren't Squeaking because even if it hurts to admit
>it - the Gtk+ stuff is actually leaps ahead of Morphic from a
>"make-a-polished-desktop-app-as-they-look-and-feel-today" perspective.
>Sure, I love Morphic - and all the principles behind it. I don't love
>the messy code, but that is another story. Still - it isn't even close
>to the polish of current Gtk+. Really.
>
>Now before you guys start pointing me at screenshots on minnow or the
>exobox screenshots or god knows whatever stuff that I have already seen
>and know about - there is no conflict here. If I want to do some really
>cool Into-The-Future-stuff then I pick up Morphic and Connectors and run
>with it! But if I want to build an app like say Evolution or the Gimp or
>whatever - then sorry, the Morphic of today doesn't cut it.
>
>There are of course two roads ahead:
>
>1. Make Morphic better and add widgets etc on top of it so that it
>eventually blows Gtk+ out of the water.
>
>2. Make Squeak being able to use Gtk+ (or other widget kits).
>
>I think we should pursue BOTH roads. But people - try to be a tad
>realistic here - the Squeak community is tiny compared to the resources
>behind Gtk+. And that simply matters. Road number 2 seems to be a much,
>much easier road to take if we want this ability soon.
>
>regards, Göran
>
>






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