Squeak Licence and Debian and Apple and Skolelinux

Alan Kay Alan.Kay at squeakland.org
Wed Mar 24 15:31:39 UTC 2004


I'm curious about "the problem of the indemnification clause". All it 
says it that Apple can't be held responsible for whatever happens. 
What is the problem there?

Cheers,

Alan

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At 12:29 AM -0800 3/24/04, Ross Boylan wrote:
>On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 04:49:12PM -0800, Tim Rowledge wrote:
>>  Bert Freudenberg <bert at impara.de> wrote:
>>
>>  >
>>  > Thanks! I posted a reply (in particular to counter this dramatically 
>>  > distorted view: 
>>  > http://lists.debian.org/debian-edu/2004/debian-edu-200403/
>>  > msg00204.html).
>>  >
>>  What amazing utterances. You'd think maybe they'd consider reading the
>>  licence before trashing the project. Perhaps you'd like to point out
>>  that squeak is most certainly free, not property of disney, exxon, the
>>  illuminati nor any other siblings of satan.
>>
>>  And as for the idea that he'd never heard of alan before now.. well.
>>  How about Babbage? K&R? Papert? Wilson?
>>
>>  tim
>Unfortunately, though the utterances that started the debian-edu
>thread were pretty inane, there is a real issue.  As flagged on the
>squeak licensing page, there is an indemnification clause which makes
>Debian nervous and makes the license fail Debian's free software
>guidelines.
>
>As a Debian user, I would love to see squeak in the main Debian
>distribution, but my understanding is that this issue is a
>show-stopper.
>
>Arguing that the clause will never apply doesn't really help;
>obviously, the lawyers who drafted the license thought there was a
>point in inserting the clause.
>
>I think Debian is right on both counts: Debian should not assume the
>risk of redistributing the software, and software that requires the
>user to assume such a risk is not free.


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