Hello,

  The TWindowMorph (in Croquet image) in conjunction with the
ComplexBorder looks pretty good alternative to me.  Adapting this to
the basic developer tools *may* be a good idea.

  It sounds like one more L&F addtion we have to worry about, but
since Croquet is supposed to be loadable to the mainstream, or there
is going to be an integrated version of them, it wouldn't be too far
fetched idea.

  Just my $0.02.

-- Yoshiki

At Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:58:23 +0100 ,
goran.krampe at bluefish.se wrote:
> 
> Hi all!
> 
> "Bill Schwab" <BSchwab at anest.ufl.edu> wrote:
> > Far be it from me to stand in the way of Squeak's growing a good connection to native widgets, but I submit that it is not all that essential, and would in fact be a step backwards in some ways.  However, if it is an option with no overhead when it's not used, then it's a good thing.
> 
> 
> Personally I just think choice is good per definition. Right now lots of
> potential Squeakers aren't Squeaking because even if it hurts to admit
> it - the Gtk+ stuff is actually leaps ahead of Morphic from a
> "make-a-polished-desktop-app-as-they-look-and-feel-today" perspective.
> Sure, I love Morphic - and all the principles behind it. I don't love
> the messy code, but that is another story. Still - it isn't even close
> to the polish of current Gtk+. Really.
> 
> Now before you guys start pointing me at screenshots on minnow or the
> exobox screenshots or god knows whatever stuff that I have already seen
> and know about - there is no conflict here. If I want to do some really
> cool Into-The-Future-stuff then I pick up Morphic and Connectors and run
> with it! But if I want to build an app like say Evolution or the Gimp or
> whatever - then sorry, the Morphic of today doesn't cut it.
> 
> There are of course two roads ahead:
> 
> 1. Make Morphic better and add widgets etc on top of it so that it
> eventually blows Gtk+ out of the water.
> 
> 2. Make Squeak being able to use Gtk+ (or other widget kits).
> 
> I think we should pursue BOTH roads. But people - try to be a tad
> realistic here - the Squeak community is tiny compared to the resources
> behind Gtk+. And that simply matters. Road number 2 seems to be a much,
> much easier road to take if we want this ability soon.
> 
> regards, Göran
>