How to install squeak in school network setting

stéphane ducasse ducasse at iam.unibe.ch
Fri Sep 17 18:39:40 UTC 2004


christian

did you contact the www.squeak.e.v.de people because they can certainly 
help you?
http://www.squeak.de/

Stef


On 12 sept. 04, at 00:46, Christian Mascher wrote:

>
> Everyone,  thank you for your quick replies!
>
> >> (Christian Mascher wrote:)
> >> Putting all four files into every individual students home-directory
> >> would obviously work, but then I would have to give them much more
> >> disk space, which I feel should not be necessary, as the bulk of the
> >> image and the .exe-file are the same for everybody.
>
> Bert Freudenberg <bert at impara.de> wrote:
> > The VM (.exe) and sources (SqueakV3.sources) are read-only and can be
> > shared. What you need for every student is an image and changes file
> > (these always go together). The image is not the same for everyone
> > because it is a snapshot of the "living" object memory, and the
> > changes are obviously different.
>
> I had read about this in Mark Guzdials Book, but thanks for spelling 
> this out for a newbie.
>
> > You can reduce the size of the changes file, however, which tracks 
> the
> > changes in source code relative to the sources file. So just do a
> > "Smalltalk condenseSources", which moves all changes to the sources
> > file, and updates the source pointers in the image correspondingly.
> > The resulting sources, image, and changes (which are only a few bytes
> > after the process) you can put onto the server. Every student then
> > needs to copy image+changes into her directory.
>
> Great. That was  exactly the information I was asking for. Thank you.
>
> Alan Kay wrote:
> > Why not try to at least give them as much disk
> > space as they need, and individual laptops would be even better 
> (since > much of the best student work will be done outside of the 
> classroom).
>
> Well, sure, I will have to be more generous with server disk-space 
> <wink> when using squeak. 21 students' images will probably be no 
> problem even given our quite full /home, but it is a difference 
> compared to when using other languages, say python, where the 
> individuals only save source (text-)files which take up hardly no 
> space.
>
> Not arguing with the smalltalk way of doing this, only up to now, my 
> students didn't need a starting point of 15 MB in their home.
>
> The problem is probably that computers in a school-lab are no real 
> _personal_ computers (because they are used by so many different 
> users). Individual laptops would be. And squeak is designed for a true 
> personal computer.
>
> > And out of curiosity: What school are you from? Also you might want 
> to
> > join the German Squeak mailinglist (see squeak.de).
>
> I'm at Christian-Rohlfs-Gymnasium, Hagen/Westfalen. I will take a look.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Christian
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