Ken Causey wrote:

>Karl,
>
>Just saying that something 'sucks' is less than helpful.  If you really
>care please try to find some time to sit down and carefully explain what
>sucks about it in detail.
>

<rant>
I'm not trying to offense anyone here but I think we lost more than we 
gained dropping  BFAV in favor
of Mantis.
There are several issues:
Moving from BFAV to Mantis meant loosing all the convenience and 
transparency and
flexibility to do all the work in Squeak: Downloading a fix with a web 
browser and then finding and
opening that file with  Squeak  and then review it  in  the  web 
browser  jumping back and forth between
Squeak and the browser to get all the comments the way it should be and 
filing out a suggested enhancement
to the fix and locate that from the web browser to be able to put that 
up on Mantis so someone can repeat that
process to see if a two line fix is worth it or not.  That was much 
easier with BFAV!
The reviewer note pad was great, mailing out bugs
from Squeak was great and not having to switch in and out of Squeak to 
find out if a bug was
reported or not. And the share joy of eating our own dog food using 
Squeak as the main platform
for enhancing and not jump into a distracting and strange web interface. 
And being able to
fix and enhance the BFAV using Squeak.And that the Mantis is a system is 
a system I
would never ever want fix or maintain or understand.
And there was right up to the time when BFAV was dropped several great 
enhancements and refactorings
going on and the efforts would probably continued if it wasn't dropped. 
And I think it would be easier to
implement the features this community wants using BFAV.
</rant>
But I know that you had problems with the server side on BFAV, and since 
I don't see those problems
and their headaches I know only the half the story.
Karl