BFAV to shutdown or not shutdown
karl.ramberg at chello.se
Fri Apr 22 17:44:07 UTC 2005
Ken Causey wrote:
>Just saying that something 'sucks' is less than helpful. If you really
>care please try to find some time to sit down and carefully explain what
>sucks about it in detail.
I'm not trying to offense anyone here but I think we lost more than we
gained dropping BFAV in favor
There are several issues:
Moving from BFAV to Mantis meant loosing all the convenience and
flexibility to do all the work in Squeak: Downloading a fix with a web
browser and then finding and
opening that file with Squeak and then review it in the web
browser jumping back and forth between
Squeak and the browser to get all the comments the way it should be and
filing out a suggested enhancement
to the fix and locate that from the web browser to be able to put that
up on Mantis so someone can repeat that
process to see if a two line fix is worth it or not. That was much
easier with BFAV!
The reviewer note pad was great, mailing out bugs
from Squeak was great and not having to switch in and out of Squeak to
find out if a bug was
reported or not. And the share joy of eating our own dog food using
Squeak as the main platform
for enhancing and not jump into a distracting and strange web interface.
And being able to
fix and enhance the BFAV using Squeak.And that the Mantis is a system is
a system I
would never ever want fix or maintain or understand.
And there was right up to the time when BFAV was dropped several great
enhancements and refactorings
going on and the efforts would probably continued if it wasn't dropped.
And I think it would be easier to
implement the features this community wants using BFAV.
But I know that you had problems with the server side on BFAV, and since
I don't see those problems
and their headaches I know only the half the story.
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