Are what the janitors are doing, what needs to be done?

Peace Jerome peace_the_dreamer at yahoo.com
Wed Mar 30 04:12:55 UTC 2005


>>  Jerome Peace wrote: 
>>>
>>> Are what the janitors are doing, what needs to be
>>> done?

Doug Way replied:
>
>The Janitors are doing something that needs to be
done, although it is 
>only a subset of all that needs to be done. :)

I tried to choose my question and words so as not to
dispute this.


Remember my idea of the proper goal is
getting things 
	1) fixed and 
	2) included in the image with 
	3) the least amount of effort on everyones part. 

Also my perceptions have grown somewhat. Having
someone who can direct traffic
and educate bug reporters to make better reports would
assist these goals.

I still hold that the problem solvers need to be there
else all you’ve got is an on ramp with no highway.

>
>The initial focus of the Janitors was just to make
sure all issues were 
>tracked in Mantis (by moving bugs/fixes over there
from this list).  
>But I think I managed to talk Ken into expanding the
scope a bit, to 
>include Mantis and other process improvements as
well.  (See the 
>helpful "How to Report a New Squeak Issue" doc which
Ken added to the 
>Mantis docs page.)

I couldn’t find this. Where should I look?
I tried the doc link on mantis but that only gets
general doc there is no project
specific doc.


>Eventually, hopefully all of steps 1 & 2 from the 
>original Harvesting Process:
http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/3152
>
>But step 3 from the Harvesting Process
(incorporation) is more 
>complicated, and will be affected by the process of
splitting the base 
>image into packages by the Packages team.

Can you be more specific. Do fixes wait until packages
are split?
Will each package have someone who can commit fixes to
it?
And what happens when a fix spans several packages???



>Some of the discussion on the v3dot9 list has been
about this and the 
>update stream.
>
>>> Quite frankly, My perception is the janitors will
>>> generate a lot of noise and result in very little
of
>>> the actual problems being solved. It will obscure
the
>>> fact that what is needed is problem solvers and
bug
>>> fixers and not just text processors.
>
>Note also that the bug-transfer aspect of the
Janitors mission should 
>be relatively short-term... eventually people will
realize that the old 
>way is no longer supported.

Ok. Time will tell. 
The noise is not a great problem if it does not
distract from getting the fixes in.
The resources needed are the problem solvers and the
recruiters of problem solvers.

Yours in service, -- Jerome Peace


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