But please send examples as class method, tests, test cases, and  
class comments and we will include them in the new
release. I think that the best are unit tests... read my tutorial

http://www.listic.univ-savoie.fr/~ducasse/Book.html

Stef


On 23 nov. 05, at 21:05, Marcus Pedersén wrote:

> Hi!
> I have also walked this way through frustration from Java to squeak.
> In java you've got the doc for the classes that gives you a  
> description for the class and the methods. In squeak there is  
> missing quite some comments and classdescriptions and what I felt  
> was frustrating in the begining was that when you have find a  
> message that you think you should be able to use and you start to  
> read the code to figure out if it's what you're after. The code in  
> the message is depending on a number of other objects that you  
> don't know about and you have to look them up and they depend on  
> other objects that you don't know about and you have to look them  
> up and so on...
> Second of all there are some realy good "beginners" books on java  
> that gives you a "kick start".
> But after that frustration in the beginning ( I think I have passed  
> the worse) I can just say that Squeak is fantastic! I just love it!
> Come on Java what about the programmer enviroment!! Smalltalk  
> (Squeak) rules!
> / Marcus
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klaus D. Witzel"  
> <klaus.witzel at cobss.com>
> To: <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:08 PM
> Subject: Re: New Squeaker Introduction
>
>
>
>> Hi Jason,
>>
>> on Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:35:51 +0100, you <jason at buddhistheart.org>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Greetings All,
>>>
>>> I'm a newbie squeaker, and I've been digging into squeak for two  
>>> weeks now. I
>>> have to say, comming for other environments (Java, Perl, Python,  
>>> etc..), I
>>> really love how this language has twisted my thinking around and  
>>> given me new
>>> insight into programming in general. The little bit of tinkering  
>>> and research
>>> that I've done has really expanded my thinking, and things that  
>>> other languages
>>> (Java and Python) have inherited from Smalltalk just make sense  
>>> now =).
>>>
>>> However, I have to argue the commonly held belief that Smalltalk  
>>> is easy to
>>> learn. While it's true that I learned the general syntax in a day  
>>> or two easily,
>>> being able to produce useful code still escapes me. I feel that  
>>> learning
>>> Smalltalk is actually pretty difficult since you must also learn  
>>> the class lib
>>> to be able to do anything in the language. I don't feel that you  
>>> can seperate
>>> the syntax from the class lib while learning the language. Throw  
>>> the enviornment
>>> on top of all that and it becomes pretty confusing to newbies.  
>>> The barrier to
>>> entry is pretty high at this point.
>>>
>>
>> This is an interesting point indeed and one which always makes me  
>> curious. Have (Java and Phyton) people learned the Java class  
>> library and the Python class library in a couple of hours or by  
>> self studing? Please do not take my question personally, I just  
>> want to ask that to a *real* person who has actually *made* this  
>> experience (of trying to learn Smalltalk after Java and Python)  
>> and not somebody who has read about such difficulty. So, if that  
>> is a question for you then please, tell us how you've learned Java  
>> and Python.
>>
>> Thank you very much in advance.
>>
>> /Klaus
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