Stef,

> There are two attitudes in the world:
>      - helping people getting better
>      - or considering that they cannot.

Diversity guaranties more than two options.
Like in abstract/concrete classes, if we see
 black and white is because
 we need to make efforts in seen more colors.
It is only a matter of time to find the rainbow.

> I always favored and will favor the first one. And again with little
> guidance we could have teams that would build wonders.
> Or could have really clean morphic....

Here, in my country, in my city, and in my technical context
 the people that has caused the more injuries are people that
 want to help.
Have you considered the effects of not to act?

It is difficult to do not act when we feel the opportunity to doit.
The effects of acting in a world wide group can have
 very hard concecuences in other places (most people
 that act are not capable to sense what they are doing
 in other places).
e.g. Squeak promotion in contexts as Argentina
 has made more difficult to instruct high quality smalltalkers
 and has made as a subproduct a lot of funs of pastel
 colors, playing & demo showers and morphic...

cheers,
Ale.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "stéphane ducasse" <ducasse at iam.unibe.ch>
To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
<squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Need to do something


> >>> ***I basically agree with you about giving responsibility*** but
> >>> we  asked ***endlessly*** that someone take responsibility of
> >>> Etoy fixes,
> >>> Morphic fixes or improvement, Balloon and nothing happened.
> >>
> >> Look at what you asked for: You asked for all of the trouble and
> >> none of the reward. In other words, if I were to sign up for that
> >> job in Balloon, I get to do the work, and you (or whoever is at
> >> the helm) gets to do the say. No deal, as far as I am concerned.
> >> That's not responsibility, that's slave labour.
> >
> > No. Why would that be? I am personally no "ego-coder", so I have a
> > hard time to understand some reactions of those who are. But even
> > with that: The maintainer of eToy of course
> > gets the fame for that.
> >
> > The whole "Squeak maintaining/harvesting" thing was from my side
> > *never* intended to be my personal ego thing...
>
> We all know that and this is the same for me. I do not really
> understand the problem here.
>
>
> >>> " Oh yes, there has been *talk* about "how easy it would
> >>> be" (hah!)  but nothing has been done (and I put this finger
> >>> squarely at whatever  group feels itself at the helm today: all
> >>> these groups failed  *miserably* in this regard)."
> >>> This is clear that the modularisation effort has not been working
> >>> fast.
> >>
> >> That is the understatement of the century ;-)
>
> > But we should keep in mind that thise changesets that were made to
> > make the system modular were ignored.
>
> There are two attitudes in the world:
>      - helping people getting better
>      - or considering that they cannot.
>
> I always favored and will favor the first one. And again with little
> guidance we could have teams that would build wonders.
> Or could have really clean morphic....
>
> Stef
>