On 1 sept. 05, at 23:37, goran at krampe.se wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Just wanted to mention a few other noteworthy aspects:
>
> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?st=E9phane_ducasse?= <ducasse at iam.unibe.ch> wrote:
>
>> Quite easy.
>>
>> There were a lot of discussions about the need of packages.
>> The stableSqueak effort developed fork with a meta-model that
>> supported packages (a bit more advanced
>> than the one underlying MC but the tool were not really mainstream
>> and merging, diff were missing.
>> Joseph Perline an Envy and Smalltalk guru succeeded to pissed of a
>> lopt of people by calling them Sunday programmers :)
>>
>
> The main problem with StableSqueak was that it was a
> hang-on-we-will-write-this-and-it-will-be-super-just-wait-and-see- 
> and-no
> -you-can't-join-us-at-this-time-project. No offense intended, the
> project just didn't tap into the community and it didn't have the  
> muscle
> to pull it all off by itself.

100 % correct.
>> In the same time, Henryk proposed a new package system that was a
>> kind of changeset based. I asked alex which was started
>> his PhD to help henryk, all the guys from berne (me, roel, nathanael,
>> alex, and andrew visiting on sabbatical) tried hard to understand
>> the package model of henryk. We invited him to visit us so that we
>> could understand the model. We failed, a lot of questions
>> remained not answered. Still dan boldy pushed the work on henryk
>> because the community wanted into squeak 3.3alpha.
>> We continued to try to understand, andreas wrote a package  
>> browser....
>> But nobody was using 3.3alpha, six months later I asked that we
>> realized that its was a failure, therefore SqC removed
>> the modules code from the stream. Henryk was mad and telling that I
>> was a troll....(even if he slept at my place when visiting us)
>> and he vanished.
>>
>
> Another aspect with 3.3modules was that it was "a hard place to live
> in". Squeak is image based - and if the image suddenly becomes
> uncomfortable for people, they don't tend to work in it and instead  
> stay
> behind in an older version (3.2 in this case). So 3.3 never attracted
> enough eyes anyway.
>
> And yes, the model probably had some issues - but I do recall that
> Henrik (with an i) wrote quite a bit of solid code for handling
> repositories for example. Unfortunately it all went into the  
> bitbucket.

Yes alex wrote a support for ftp for storage.
But still nobody could understand and explain the model in half or a  
page.
Even henryk when visiting us had hard time to be clear and simple  
about it.
No offense intended!.

Stef