Looking for good souls
alan.kay at squeakland.org
Mon Apr 24 11:03:18 UTC 2006
I also think a new mailing list for newcomers would be a good idea.
At 03:49 AM 4/24/2006, Elod Kironsky wrote:
>I really agree with Stef and don't think a new mailing-list will do harm
>to anybody. It is absolutely true, that
>some advanced topics on squeak-dev may be very frustrating to squeak
>newbies and scare them away from
>writing to the conference. If there will be no posts to the new list, then
>it can be deleted anyway, so what is the
>problem? If someone thinks this behavior of Stefs is autocratic, then
>well, let the newbies decide. Anyone, who
>feels to be a newbie and is reading this mail, please write to this list
>and place a vote wheter you would like a
>squeak-newbie list or not. You can count me in of course ;-)
>>You know what? I found you really conservative and sitting on your
>>Do you really want to stay in your private club, be dandy, do not
>>invite anybody to learn and grow?
>>Because you think that people are not afraid of our discussions? Really?
>>May be this starter mailing-list will fail but I will have dare to
>>try instead of staying with your
>>certainty about life and facts.
>>My GOAL IS NOT TO SPLIT SQUEAK_DEV. My goal is to give a chance to
>>that are afraid or do not want to receive sometimes 50 emails per day
>>to communicate with us.
>>These are years that because of technological aspects we did not
>>create such a list.
>>Here is what ralph told me, so either we do it publicly via
>>squeakfondation as a normal and public list
>>as the fact that we acknowledge that newcomers are ***welcome*** in
>>our cool community, or I create
>>a mailing in an obscure mail server and I will advertize it. I let
>>you decide. But I will do it (you know me
>>and I will fail and take the responsibility of this failure if it
>>fails but at least I could be looking at this scar
>>and be proud of it).
>>>Just make a list and then advertise it. In fact, you might make
>>>several lists, for different languages.
>>>As long as I've been on the Squeak list, people have argued against
>>>splitting the list. However, if Squeak is to grow, the list must
>>>split. When a list gets large, people don't want to post. When the
>>>people who post are experts, beginners get shy. If you want to grow
>>>the community, the lists must split.
>>>Fortunately, you don't need to take a vote. Just create a list and
>>>advertise it, and the people who want to join will join, and the
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