Hi brad

as I said:

I proposed since months the squeakfoundation to help in the first  
place the release team because we had a really hard-time.
Helping by allocating some money to suppot the dev of some tools that  
we do not have the time to develop like
a build process tools. I did a first sketch (quite dry) of the  
behavior of such a tool.
And basically the answer of two of the three members yesterday was  
that "if you do not do it for fun then you should drop it"
I found that answer totally insane and I got mad and I do not want to  
hear about the SqF even if I was the first member of it.

Note that I pushed ESUG to give money and put in place the sponsoring  
program so that we can get money to
do stuff to help squeak. But now I'm sorry but I have not the time to  
fight, so now SqF has money for the servers.
Excellent!

I will report to the ESUG board the situation and they will certainly  
not agree to give more money for SqF and they will be right.
I'm sad for the people that put their trust in my intentions and  
sponsor us in the hope to see stuff moving.
Of course the foundation is a first step having an entity that  
represents squeak, so this is good. It would be even better
if it would move faster but this is like that.

Stef

PS:  If you look at the success of the beginner mailing-list. Nobody  
ever told me
that this was good that I pushed it but I had to argue argue that  
this was needed.
And now it is a really cool place to be.


On 17 août 06, at 17:44, Brad Fuller wrote:

> Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I want to thank the people that voted for me but I will leave the
>> squeakfoundation board.
>> I would like to thank the people that gave money to the foundation
>> when it was not even something
>> that was based on election. Thank you all for all the trust you  
>> put on
>> me. Really this was a warm feeling
>> and I took my responsibility quite seriously. I had dreams but I  
>> could
>> not make them reality. But
>> may be my dreams were dangerous too.
>>
>> I have a different vision of what the foundation can do to push
>> squeak. This is already a moment that I was
>> hesitating to leave (and put myself my own deadline). I realize that
>> this is  weakening the foundation
>> but I prefer to leave now and focus on cool other stuff. Still I
>> encourage everybody to support the foundation
>> and I'm sure that some cool stuff will happen.
>>
>> Now you can know what I think in a nutshell and I'm sure other  
>> boarder
>> will rectify me if I'm wrong.
>> I wanted the foundation to push some development of infrastructural
>> elements (process for
>> release team supported tools [1], fixing infrastructural aspects,  
>> test
>> server, MC2...) but
>> on one hand, there is not enough money (but we could collect money)
>> and more important
>> other consider that this can destroy the community (which can be  
>> true).
>>
>> I got mad because if the foundation cannot afford to help the people
>> doing the dirty work
>> (integrating bugfixes and creating new release) then I give it a
>> limited interest. I think that this is a dream
>> to think that Squeak happen just like that. Of course one can argue
>> that open-source is to work the nights on your
>> night sleep and it is easy to say that if this is not fun to do it we
>> should stop doing it, but it is another to do
>> not without any support. And the foundation could have acknowledge
>> this fact. Since it did not, I went mad
>> and deciding to spend my good energy in better stuff.
>>
>>     [1] seriously the release team CANNOT continue to work the way it
>> worked.
>>     I do not want to see marcus burnt like that and get sick of
>> Smalltalk.
>>     I prefer to see him inventing the next squeak compiler and for
>> that we need better tools to support
>>     and invent the process. Because we can invent a lot of fun  
>> stuff too.
>>
>> I think that the board will do a good job without me. So if you want
>> to organize an election at least we will have
>> some animation and opportunity to talk (or communicate).
>>
>> Stef
>>
>> PS: if some of you are interested in gathering some money so that we
>> get something done please contact me
>> off-list.
> Can you clarify why you are leaving, Stef? I don't understand if it's
> because you want to spend you energy on something cool, or that you  
> are
> feed up with the way the Foundation is operating.  What are the top
> reasons you are leaving?
>
> brad
>