squeak gmane archive broken

Samir Saidani saidani at squeakfr.org
Sun Jan 15 16:36:20 UTC 2006

Hello Lars,

I'm not sure because the threads was ok before inclusion of the old
mails. During this operation, I've noticed that the number of mails
into the nntp+news.gmane.org:gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.general
was growing, and each time I browsed the archive through gnus, threads
was broken. So I thought that this problem would only occur during the
extension of the archive, but nothing has changed.

Threads are ok when you browse it from the official squeak-dev mailing
list (here http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/). I
noticed the same phenomena with the squeakland archive, threads are
flattened too.

So I think that the recent operation - inclusion of the old mails -
breaks maybe the Message-ID of the list.

Check the page 2 of
http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.general, there
is a lot of messages entitled "REMINDER : Squeak Chat ..." which
didn't appear before the inclusion, and don't appear in the squeak-dev
mailing-list. Compare with this thread :

Ok, see what I've noticed right now:

The mail from "Alan Lovejoy Re: About squeak image compatibility" has
a message-ID : Message-ID:
<21459.4053723433$1137074804 at news.gmane.org>, from gmane, and before,
all threads are broken. And the situation seems to be ok starting with
a mail from "Daniel Vaisencher" (the next one on the thread) with a
message-ID : Message-ID:
<43C8F02F.3010107__16977.8764983223$1137074823$gmane$org at techunix.technion.ac.il>
(not a news.gmane.org one)

I tried to browse the 5000 latest messages of squeak-dev, and I
noticed that the broken threads problem starts with this message:

From: "Ned Konz" <ned at bike-nomad.com>
Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.general
Subject: [ENH] DupKeys-nk
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:48:58 -0800
Lines: 69
Approved: news at gmane.org
Message-ID: <30139.7983603694$1137037544 at news.gmane.org>

(before the Message-ID is not a news.gmane.org one and threads are ok)

and finishes with this message

From: "Alan Lovejoy" <squeak-dev.sourcery at forum-mail.net>
Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.general
Subject: RE: About squeak image compatibility (3.6/7/8)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:47:19 -0800
Lines: 13
Approved: news at gmane.org
Message-ID: <21459.4053723433$1137074804 at news.gmane.org>

(after the Message-ID is not a news.gmane.org one at all, and threads
are ok)

It seems that this change is involved in the problem. Hope this
indication would help you to figure out what is the problem !


Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi at gnus.org> writes:

> Samir Saidani <saidani at squeakfr.org> writes:
>> I'm using intensively the squeak gmane archive through my mail reader,
>> and noticed that all the threads are now broken, the result is
>> unfortunately not readable. Is it possible to fix it ? Or maybe the
>> problem was already mentionned ? I guess that it is due to the recent
>> addition of older archived mails !
> Perhaps the archive had broken Message-IDs or something?
> -- 
> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
>   larsi at gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

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