"Children First!" means ...

Andreas Raab andreas.raab at gmx.de
Fri Jul 7 07:16:23 UTC 2006

Right. I *fully* support Alan's efforts to get these communities 
involved in the educational efforts - if we compete then the kids will 
ultimately win. If that is in Squeak or in Python or in Ruby, who cares?

   - Andreas

Alan Kay wrote:
> ... Children First!
> (It doesn't mean Squeak First, or Python or Ruby First.)
> Cheers,
> Alan
> At 07:24 PM 7/6/2006, Brad Fuller wrote:
>> Markus Gaelli wrote:
>>> On Jul 7, 2006, at 12:46 AM, Brad Fuller wrote:
>>>> Serge Stinckwich wrote:
>>>>> There is a report of Guido Van Rossum about an Alan Kay talk in his
>>>>> web log here : 
>>>>> http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=167318
>>>> this is sad to read:
>>>> Alan believes that Python has a much larger mindshare than Smalltalk or
>>>> Squeak, and that because of this a similar environment in Python will
>>>> have a greater chance of succeeding than the current Squeak one. Also,
>>>> the $100 laptop already has Python, and Alan is of course hoping that a
>>>> Squeak-like environment will be part of it, so this appears expedient.
>>>> (At the Shuttleworth summit in April
>>>> < 
>>>> <http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=156162>http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=156162> 
>>>> <http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=156162> I believe
>>>> Alan also suggested that Squeak is suffering from its extremely simple
>>>> graphics model; apparently it cannot benefit from graphics accelerator
>>>> cards because of its platform-independent architecture. Python on the
>>>> other hand already has bindings to OpenGL and DirectX, for example.)
>>>> --brad
>>>> sonaural
>>> Hi folks,
>>> let's be proud that Smalltalk was indispensable to come up with Etoys 
>>> and let us accept the challenge.
>>> I googled for python IDEs today and found
>>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments
>>> and there the most up to date IDE shootout of
>>> http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html
>>> and
>>> http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/pycon-python-ide-review.html
>>> I have to say that I was not impressed.
>>> The IDEs were either not free: Wing, Komodo and in the future PyDev
>>> based on Qt (Eric4)
>>> had no liberal license (Gnu! ): SPE
>>> couldn't eat their own dog food as they were based on Java: PyDev
>>> or didn't have convincing screenshots: DrPython
>>> Alan, which python IDE would you suggest us to widen our perspectives 
>>> for ourselves, the job market and for helping to make the world a 
>>> better place - if it is not Squeak?
>> I have no idea if Alan actually said that, there are not quotes. And, 
>> Alan can speak for himself. However(!), if the essence of the 
>> paraphrase is right, I think he's suggesting that Python can benefit 
>> from the work that Smalltalk has pioneered. But, I don't know if he's 
>> referring to the IDE, eToys, or what when he says "environment"
>> -- 
>> brad
>> sonaural
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