We can also read this report from Mr. Guido Van Rossum's Chinese Blog
at:
http://blog.csdn.net/gvanrossum/archive/2006/07/10/898557.aspx

So I post some of our comments on it. Yes, the most important thing
is "Children first", no matter what kind of  means.

Regards

Liu

On 7/8/06, Hans N Beck <hnbeck at t-online.de> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Am 07.07.2006 um 09:16 schrieb Andreas Raab:
>
> > Right. I *fully* support Alan's efforts to get these communities
> > involved in the educational efforts - if we compete then the kids
> > will ultimately win. If that is in Squeak or in Python or in Ruby,
> > who cares?
> >
> +1
>
> We are always at the beginning of teaching knowledge, pedagogics as
> didactics. No one can assume the Squeak is the last step here,
> althought it is a very important one :-) Would be interesting to see,
> how Alan's experience in using Squeak may  influence python or even
> other things ;-)
>
>
> Regards
>
> Hans
>
> > Cheers,
> >   - Andreas
> >
> > Alan Kay wrote:
> >> ... Children First!
> >> (It doesn't mean Squeak First, or Python or Ruby First.)
> >> Cheers,
> >> Alan
> >> At 07:24 PM 7/6/2006, Brad Fuller wrote:
> >>> Markus Gaelli wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jul 7, 2006, at 12:46 AM, Brad Fuller wrote:
> >>>>> Serge Stinckwich wrote:
> >>>>>> There is a report of Guido Van Rossum about an Alan Kay talk
> >>>>>> in his
> >>>>>> web log here : http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?
> >>>>>> thread=167318
> >>>>> this is sad to read:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Alan believes that Python has a much larger mindshare than
> >>>>> Smalltalk or
> >>>>> Squeak, and that because of this a similar environment in
> >>>>> Python will
> >>>>> have a greater chance of succeeding than the current Squeak
> >>>>> one. Also,
> >>>>> the $100 laptop already has Python, and Alan is of course
> >>>>> hoping that a
> >>>>> Squeak-like environment will be part of it, so this appears
> >>>>> expedient.
> >>>>> (At the Shuttleworth summit in April
> >>>>> < <http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?
> >>>>> thread=156162>http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?
> >>>>> thread=156162> <http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?
> >>>>> thread=156162> I believe
> >>>>> Alan also suggested that Squeak is suffering from its extremely
> >>>>> simple
> >>>>> graphics model; apparently it cannot benefit from graphics
> >>>>> accelerator
> >>>>> cards because of its platform-independent architecture. Python
> >>>>> on the
> >>>>> other hand already has bindings to OpenGL and DirectX, for
> >>>>> example.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --brad
> >>>>> sonaural
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi folks,
> >>>>
> >>>> let's be proud that Smalltalk was indispensable to come up with
> >>>> Etoys and let us accept the challenge.
> >>>>
> >>>> I googled for python IDEs today and found
> >>>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments
> >>>> and there the most up to date IDE shootout of
> >>>> http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html
> >>>> and
> >>>> http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/pycon-python-ide-review.html
> >>>>
> >>>> I have to say that I was not impressed.
> >>>>
> >>>> The IDEs were either not free: Wing, Komodo and in the future PyDev
> >>>> based on Qt (Eric4)
> >>>> had no liberal license (Gnu! ): SPE
> >>>> couldn't eat their own dog food as they were based on Java: PyDev
> >>>> or didn't have convincing screenshots: DrPython
> >>>>
> >>>> Alan, which python IDE would you suggest us to widen our
> >>>> perspectives for ourselves, the job market and for helping to
> >>>> make the world a better place - if it is not Squeak?
> >>> I have no idea if Alan actually said that, there are not quotes.
> >>> And, Alan can speak for himself. However(!), if the essence of
> >>> the paraphrase is right, I think he's suggesting that Python can
> >>> benefit from the work that Smalltalk has pioneered. But, I don't
> >>> know if he's referring to the IDE, eToys, or what when he says
> >>> "environment"
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> brad
> >>> sonaural
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> ---
> >
> >
>
>
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