Thanks Bryce --

I see.

One thing to think about here is "Squeak" and "Squeak Etoys" as separate 
things for somewhat different users (this is why we have separate websites).

The Etoys, when downloaded from the Squeakland site, will run both 
standalone and as a web browser plugin (and the plugin is run in a sandbox 
for protection, etc.). It would be great to have this preinstalled on the 
Ubuntu disk.

It might be worthwhile to actually have two different logos to distinguish 
the two systems for the two sets of users?

Cheers,

Alan

At 02:39 PM 3/24/2006, Bryce Kampjes wrote:
>Alan Kay writes:
>  > Just curious as to why this would be an issue. Squeak works fine on any
>  > number of Linux systems, why would there be any special difficulties with
>  > Ubuntu?
>
>Hi Alan,
>
>Squeak when manually installed works fine in Ubuntu. What I'd like is
>to see Squeak installed from the Ubuntu distribution working
>well. This is so people with minimal Unix expertise and no prior
>Squeak experience can get started easily in Squeak while running
>Ubuntu.
>
>Imagine you're a non-technical teacher running Ubuntu (yes Ubuntu is
>targeting educational use), you've heard of Squeak and feel like
>trying it out. Having it properly included in the distribution would
>mean that you just need to ask the package manager to install Squeak
>then start using it. The package will create the appropriate menu
>items and desktop short cuts.
>
>Ubuntu tried to install Squeak in Breezy Badger, their last release.
>They forgot to add an image to their packages. This meant that Squeak
>didn't work. People did try Squeak because it was in Breezy. I know
>this because some of them asked on #squeak-dev about how to get Squeak
>running. Many more probably just gave up without saying anything.
>
>The Ubuntu packagers are convinced that Squeak should be included
>because of it's educational value. But the packagers are not Squeakers
>or even Smalltalkers which means working with images is foreign to
>them. The Squeak install just needs to be tested while there's still
>time to fix bugs, and if there are issues they may need help resolving
>them. We have less than three weeks to make sure it works before their
>next release will be frozen.
>
>The issue is about getting Squeak running flawlessly in a major Linux
>distribution. It's about reducing the barriers to join our community.
>We now have a great opportunity to get Squeak included and working in
>a major Linux distribution, let's make the most of it.
>
>Bryce