Testing Squeak in Ubuntu - Dapper Drake.
stéphane ducasse
ducasse at iam.unibe.ch
Sat Mar 25 08:47:40 UTC 2006
> I see.
>
> One thing to think about here is "Squeak" and "Squeak Etoys" as
> separate things for somewhat different users (this is why we have
> separate websites).
>
> The Etoys, when downloaded from the Squeakland site, will run both
> standalone and as a web browser plugin (and the plugin is run in a
> sandbox for protection, etc.). It would be great to have this
> preinstalled on the Ubuntu disk.
>
> It might be worthwhile to actually have two different logos to
> distinguish the two systems for the two sets of users?
Indeed. I think that lot of people are confused. But it would be
great to have squeak and etoy on Ubuntu :)
We could keep the mouse for etoy and have a competition for getting
one of Squeak.
Stef
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alan
>
> At 02:39 PM 3/24/2006, Bryce Kampjes wrote:
>> Alan Kay writes:
>> > Just curious as to why this would be an issue. Squeak works
>> fine on any
>> > number of Linux systems, why would there be any special
>> difficulties with
>> > Ubuntu?
>>
>> Hi Alan,
>>
>> Squeak when manually installed works fine in Ubuntu. What I'd like is
>> to see Squeak installed from the Ubuntu distribution working
>> well. This is so people with minimal Unix expertise and no prior
>> Squeak experience can get started easily in Squeak while running
>> Ubuntu.
>>
>> Imagine you're a non-technical teacher running Ubuntu (yes Ubuntu is
>> targeting educational use), you've heard of Squeak and feel like
>> trying it out. Having it properly included in the distribution would
>> mean that you just need to ask the package manager to install Squeak
>> then start using it. The package will create the appropriate menu
>> items and desktop short cuts.
>>
>> Ubuntu tried to install Squeak in Breezy Badger, their last release.
>> They forgot to add an image to their packages. This meant that Squeak
>> didn't work. People did try Squeak because it was in Breezy. I know
>> this because some of them asked on #squeak-dev about how to get
>> Squeak
>> running. Many more probably just gave up without saying anything.
>>
>> The Ubuntu packagers are convinced that Squeak should be included
>> because of it's educational value. But the packagers are not
>> Squeakers
>> or even Smalltalkers which means working with images is foreign to
>> them. The Squeak install just needs to be tested while there's still
>> time to fix bugs, and if there are issues they may need help
>> resolving
>> them. We have less than three weeks to make sure it works before
>> their
>> next release will be frozen.
>>
>> The issue is about getting Squeak running flawlessly in a major Linux
>> distribution. It's about reducing the barriers to join our community.
>> We now have a great opportunity to get Squeak included and working in
>> a major Linux distribution, let's make the most of it.
>>
>> Bryce
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