I am standing by Juan's proposal,
do you? (was Re: Removing Etoys, Morphic a
J J
azreal1977 at hotmail.com
Wed Nov 1 19:08:49 UTC 2006
I personally wouldn't want to see much forking going on. The active
community (i.e. people who are generating code) is small as it is. But
there is already a "developers image". Maybe this could use Jaun's work as
it's GUI? I mean, me as a developer, I just want the image to not be
distracting and run as fast as possible. :)
>From: danil osipchuk <danil at mtsnet.ru>
>Reply-To: The general-purpose Squeak developers
>list<squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>To: The general-purpose Squeak developers
>list<squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>Subject: Re: I am standing by Juan's proposal, do you? (was Re: Removing
>Etoys, Morphic and other friends)
>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:38:34 +0000
>
>Stéphane Rollandin wrote:
>>
>>>>To be honest I never had been an etoys user and probably should not jump
>>>>in here. But anyway I wonder: if etoys are already working just fine
>>>>right now (in efficiently forked image) why do they can not be detangled
>>>>from the current squeak-dev image to allow it move forward?
>>>>
>>>
>>>I don't know, I did not implement eToys. I just use it, happily.
>>>
>On the other side I'm extremely unhappy with current state of morphic.
>Today I have recommended the friend who is willing to study smalltalk to
>use Dolphin at the first time. This is because I believe that learning of
>Smalltalk should happen in the cleanly written system and Squeak doesn't
>qualify for this (because of morphic in a large extent). It is not system
>that one programmer can understand with reasonable effort anymore. Dolphin
>is.
>>sorry, I think I missed your point. you meant "if eToys work currently
>>well in Squeakland, why not get rid of them in Squeak-dev" ?. in that case
>>my answer is quite simple: I work in Squeak-dev, not Squeakland.
>>
>I see. So no point to argue who is right. The question is - what should we
>do in this clear conflict of interests? I would prefer an experimental
>marginal fork to exist for people who are ready for destabilization of
>things. Individual work like what Juan does is not quite the same because
>people tend to burn out and efforts should be joined. At least several
>people with a common view on this are needed.
>
>regards
> Danil
>
>
>
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